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Old 06-08-2008, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Absolutely right. Many (not all) of the problems of big cities that people complain about would be remedied by increased growth of the middle class and affluent population.
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I'm with radraja and missionhome. Although my kids are now grown (well, sort of), the good schools, and good programming for kids was very important to me when they were smaller. I started out as an urban afficianado, but we moved to the burbs for the yard, and in our case, for the small town, almost rural feel our community had 25 yrs ago. It's now much more suburban, but still retains that small-town atmosphere. Just yesterday, my DD and I went down to the library to donate some old eyeglasses, and stopped by the Farmer's Market. DD (age 20), remarked that our town seems somewhat more authentic than some of the "New Urbanist" areas that try to mimic what we have. That, of course, is for another thread. HOWEVER, I have read research that suburbanites are more likely to be involved with civic affairs in their town than city people. Perhaps that is because the govt. is more upclose and personal than in the city. I testified several times at city council meetings re: recreation center issues. That is something you are unlikely to do in my "Host City", Denver.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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If the city is the host, does that mean suburbs are parasites?
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Old 06-08-2008, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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If the city is the host, does that mean suburbs are parasites?
Very funny. While I will always champion urban living over suburban living, I don't fault those who choose to live in suburbia. I just wish so many weren't choosing the latter over the former because as others have excellently pointed out, the mass outflux of the middle-class from our nation's cities is exactly what has left so many of them in such a sad state of disrepair.

My particular situation is an anomaly. Scranton has very low violent crime, average property crime, above-average public schools, reasonable property taxes, and housing prices that are generally lower than in the suburbs. Nevertheless the 'burbs here have been booming so much that for the first time in many decades our area is growing in population again, offsetting the constant losses in the city. I can see why people may wish to raise a family in, per se, Livonia, MI over Detroit, MI, but there's just no excuse for this sprawling development where I live.
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Old 06-09-2008, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I could move back into The City no problem. But as of now, I'm pretty happy with Tiburon.
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:42 PM
 
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For me, I'd love to live in an urban area. What does it take? Walkability. Shopping, entertainment, bars and restaurants in one area. Affordable new housing (new is necessary because of allergies). Safe to walk the streets at night, as I am a night person. Down to earth people -- not purely the upper crust in the area. Significant pedestrian traffic and human interaction.

The urban areas of Toronto and Chicago fit most of that criteria, as do a few other places. A cheaper New York or San Francisco would as well.

In SoCal, I have found Glendale to fit the bill for urban living. San Diego and Long Beach somewhat, but they're too yuppified for me to be comfortable living there (especially SD). Los Angeles lacks the nightlife, bars, and shopping. Pasadena does reasonably well by this criteria as well.
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:48 PM
 
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I was born in Iowa City and grew up in a suburb of that city for 22 years. I impatiently waited until I graduated college, and then moved to the north side of Chicago right away.

I've been here 7 years and have loved every minute of it. I'm urban to the core, and would have to be drug out kicking and screaming if I were ever to move to the burbs.
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:04 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I think $10 per gallon of gas will do the trick.
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I think $10 per gallon of gas will do the trick.
Why, if I work 4 1/2 miles away in the same suburb, would I want to move to Denver? DH works 6 miles away. Denver would add 25 miles to such commutes, and in my case, it wouldn't be worth the extra time to even work there.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Why, if I work 4 1/2 miles away in the same suburb, would I want to move to Denver? DH works 6 miles away. Denver would add 25 miles to such commutes, and in my case, it wouldn't be worth the extra time to even work there.
Katiana, your situation is somewhat of an anomaly though. I can't name one person in my own suburban subdivision that doesn't rely upon our host cities of Scranton or Wilkes-Barre for something or other on at least a bi-daily basis. My father works in Downtown Scranton. I attend school in Downtown Wilkes-Barre. My mother works out of her car in both cities. My neighbors frequent Philharmonic concerts, festivals, hockey games, baseball games, etc. nearer to the city proper.

It's nice that you have been blessed enough to be able to live in a well-planned mixed-zoned suburb with sidewalks, bike paths, and a progressive attitude, but many other suburbs, including my own, really are just parasites of the city proper---sponging off of their amenities without paying any tax revenues to support those very same services.
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