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There is some discussion of this over in the Portland Oregon forum //www.city-data.com/forum/portl...regonians.html
There is a certain amount of fuss about Californians in Oregon. There are plenty of Californians located where I live on the coast but they usually manage to fit in. Many of them are older, and retire to the area.
One thing I don't like is it seems we sometime change are laws to go along with California. They just passed all that non-smoking just about anywhere law. I don't see that we need to match our laws to our border states.
I remember years ago, people in Portland freaking out because there was the initial "rush" of Californians to their area. They would sell their SoCal homes for $$$$ and pay cash for local Portland homes, eventually driving up the prices to 2-3 times in some cases what they used to be. The SoCal people were still getting deals (to them) but the locals could no longer afford decent sized homes.
But that was a few years back. I think it leveled off a bit, and I've watched home prices online in the Portland area drop considerably over their peak during the California migration. Of course, these days, home prices are down just about everywhere, too.
I think the current "they're getting on my nerves" area is Boise, Idaho. A while back I noticed a few posts in there where apparently Californians are finding out Boise is a lot nicer with more to offer than they had thought, and they are now starting to filter over that way (with mixed reactions from the locals).
Here in Atlanta we've seen a steady increase in the number of Californians over the last few years, especially since the '96 Olympics. Our traffic and sprawl make the L.A. folks feel at home apparently , but the home prices are a lot cheaper.
Generally, Atlanta-proper is more of a mixing pot of folks from "all over", so they don't notice the Californians that much to be honest, but if they run into native-born locals (conservative, Baptist, Republican, etc etc) they sometimes may have culture/thought clashes. They're coming from all areas (L.A., San Fran, etc), so even by California standards it's still a real mix of folks migrating this way. It hasn't had a huge effect on our home prices going up quickly, because while we get the money folks from L.A. and NYC moving here, people are also coming here from places like Raleigh, Kansas City, and places like that, so it tempers the pricing a bit and one region's migration doesn't hike ours up as drastically as it might in other areas.
Well, we like to think that all those California transplants here in Salt Lake City are horrible drivers and show no courtesy on the streets (in truth, we're just trying to find a scapegoat ).
Yes, Californians have almost taken over Oregon (incertainspots!). However ~ and I have pissed off some people with this comment ~ Californians have done nothing that greedy Oregonians did now allow to happen. That goes for both realtors AND sellers. Money talks.
I remember years ago, people in Portland freaking out because there was the initial "rush" of Californians to their area. They would sell their SoCal homes for $$$$ and pay cash for local Portland homes, eventually driving up the prices to 2-3 times in some cases what they used to be. The SoCal people were still getting deals (to them) but the locals could no longer afford decent sized homes.
But that was a few years back. I think it leveled off a bit, and I've watched home prices online in the Portland area drop considerably over their peak during the California migration. Of course, these days, home prices are down just about everywhere, too.
I think the current "they're getting on my nerves" area is Boise, Idaho. A while back I noticed a few posts in there where apparently Californians are finding out Boise is a lot nicer with more to offer than they had thought, and they are now starting to filter over that way (with mixed reactions from the locals).
Here in Atlanta we've seen a steady increase in the number of Californians over the last few years, especially since the '96 Olympics. Our traffic and sprawl make the L.A. folks feel at home apparently , but the home prices are a lot cheaper.
Generally, Atlanta-proper is more of a mixing pot of folks from "all over", so they don't notice the Californians that much to be honest, but if they run into native-born locals (conservative, Baptist, Republican, etc etc) they sometimes may have culture/thought clashes. They're coming from all areas (L.A., San Fran, etc), so even by California standards it's still a real mix of folks migrating this way. It hasn't had a huge effect on our home prices going up quickly, because while we get the money folks from L.A. and NYC moving here, people are also coming here from places like Raleigh, Kansas City, and places like that, so it tempers the pricing a bit and one region's migration doesn't hike ours up as drastically as it might in other areas.
I used to live in Grand Junction, Colorado, and saw the impact of Californians moving to the area. I rented, and so I was not affected by home prices, but the average cost of a home in the 4 years I lived there rose $100,000. And it was worse in the mountains. Now, you barely can find a place to rent because a lot of younger natives starting out cannot afford a home, so they have to rent.
Personally, I don't have a problem with the Californians, as people, themselves. Some of my best friends are natives of California, but its just the overall impact that a large amount of wealthier people can cause to an area that makes it hard to bare sometimes. It just so happens that they are from California. I agree, some try to bring their old lifestyle and expect the towns to change to their liking. But it seems most are actually just looking for a simpler life with less crime and crowds. And to them, almost anywhere is more affordable than California.
What seems to be happening is people are no longer satisfied with just vacationing in the mountains or the national parks. They want to have it year-round. I know a lot of people who would come to Colorado on a trip, and right away fall in love with the scenery. Next thing you know, they're moving their life to Colorado so they can enjoy it all the time. This is happening to a lot of great, beautiful places like Jackson, WY, Bozeman, MT, Missoula, MT, Coeur d'Alene, ID, and even Santa Fe, NM just to name a few.
Well Californians are just people like you and me, it's not really about Californians moving to your area, it's about a MASS EXODUS of californians moving to your area after they sold their house for cash that drive up prices and generally change the landscape adding to sprawl, crime and traffic in generally a rural, slowpaced and dry landscape.
I don't think anyone should complain about one or two Californians moving to your area, but when 100,000 do in a short period of time like Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Colorado, Utah that is certainly a concern. California is a beautiful and fun place, but let's keep our distinct states unique, we really don't need 5 Californias do we.
Their misconception of what something costs and the ability to have money to pay for it. Yes it does drive up housing costs. And that drags everything else up. The second reason is they are wanting to bring their ideas and troubles with them!!!!! JUST what they were wanting to leave!!!
They don't realize/care about the local wages or how government works. They over time get the local rules and regulations changed or misguided to their wants.
Their misconception of what something costs and the ability to have money to pay for it. Yes it does drive up housing costs. And that drags everything else up. The second reason is they are wanting to bring their ideas and troubles with them!!!!! JUST what they were wanting to leave!!! They don't realize/care about the local wages or how government works. They over time get the local rules and regulations changed or misguided to their wants.
can you provide examples?
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, but the home prices are a lot cheaper.
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