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If what I hear on other threads is any indication, then that map's inclusion of Missouri in the South is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Agreed. The OP's map made much better sense as to Missouri.
The book that map came from is titled "Cultural Regions of the United States" by Raymond Gastil. I have a copy of it, and without specifically going back to look, I seem to recall that one reason so much of Missouri was placed in the general "South" region, was the high percentage of Southern Baptist Church membership, and certain facts involving western migration.
If what I hear on other threads is any indication, then that map's inclusion of Missouri in the South is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Does he consider it the South? The map has St. Louis listed as "non-conforming metropolitan area".
Interesting how he puts Scranton in with the interior New England while Pittsburgh is placed with the rest of central PA, eastern PA and southern New Jersey.
No way is western NY anything like the midwest. I'd put it in with the northeast. Then have a separate New England category.
Western NY is very much like NW Pa, NE Ohio, etc.........i think there should be a Great Lakes Region if you're going to have a Plains Region. People in Northern Ohio are most definitely different from southern Ohio.
Interesting effort. However: I have lived in southern Missouri and northern Michigan. I can assure you that northern Michigan is not at all similar to southern Missouri.
Your separation of south Florida as a cultural zone is interesting. I wonder if south Florida, central Arizona and southern California might all be put into one disjunct cultural zone>
Western NY is very much like NW Pa, NE Ohio, etc.........i think there should be a Great Lakes Region if you're going to have a Plains Region. People in Northern Ohio are most definitely different from southern Ohio.
I disagree. When ever I'm in northern Ohio or Wester PA for work, people ask me where I"m from because of my accent. The pace of life is different in PA and OH. There are different regional stores/restaurants/slang words. Different ethnic influences in the cities. Where I am in Rochester is nothing like those areas.
I disagree. When ever I'm in northern Ohio or Wester PA for work, people ask me where I"m from because of my accent. The pace of life is different in PA and OH. There are different regional stores/restaurants/slang words. Different ethnic influences in the cities. Where I am in Rochester is nothing like those areas.
That's because the W.NY great lakes accent is more pronounced than that in NE Ohio or W. Pa. I live near Youngstown and i don't sound like people from Cleveland or Pittsburgh, yet we share the same culture.
Sure there are different stores and restaurants, but that doesn't prove the areas have different culture.
Culture is the big issue here, not accent and shopping.
Are you saying that Rochester doesn't have the italian, polish, german, slovak, greek, black, etc ethnic influences that we have here???? Are you saying people in Rochester don't have a blue collar/union background??? You guys don't have ethnic festivals??? Pierogies??? Obsession w/sports??? I could go on in on. If none of the above is true, then you're right, you aren't part of our region..........CULTURALLY.
That's because the W.NY great lakes accent is more pronounced than that in NE Ohio or W. Pa. I live near Youngstown and i don't sound like people from Cleveland or Pittsburgh, yet we share the same culture.
Sure there are different stores and restaurants, but that doesn't prove the areas have different culture.
Culture is the big issue here, not accent and shopping.
Are you saying that Rochester doesn't have the italian, polish, german, slovak, greek, black, etc ethnic influences that we have here???? Are you saying people in Rochester don't have a blue collar/union background??? You guys don't have ethnic festivals??? Pierogies??? Obsession w/sports??? I could go on in on. If none of the above is true, then you're right, you aren't part of our region..........CULTURALLY.
Well, we have some of that in Denver! That doesn't really define a place culturally. This "land of immigrants" has a lot of ethnic festivals, just with different ethnicities in different parts of the country. Sports obesession? Got that, too! My ex-spouse is from Rochester, he wasn't too interested in sports.
Why reinvent the wheel. Here's a map, done by an academician, that I'd say is a much better representation.
So according to this person we have:
(1) New England:
(a) Upper New England
(b) Western New York and Northern Pennsylvania (Scranton/Erie) (2) New York City Metropolitan Area:
--Southern New York; Long Island; Northern New Jersey
(3) Pennsylvanian:
--SW New Jersey; SE New Jersey; Eastern PA; C. PA; Western PA
(4) Baltimore, Philadelphia and Washington DC
(5) South
(a) Texas and Oklahoma
(b) Deep South; Florida to West Virginia, Louisiana, most of Missouri
(6) Central Midwest:
--Most of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, S. Iowa, N. Missouri, E. Kansas, SE Nebraska
(7) St. Louis and Kansas City
(8) Upper Midwest:
(a) Michigan/N. Ohio
(b) Wisconsin, Minnesota, N. Iowa, W. Dakotas
(9) Cleveland, Detroit, Chicagoland
(10) Rocky Mountain:
--Most of Colorado, Wyoming, Montana
(11) Mormon:
--Mainly Utah, parts of Wyoming, Nevada, Idaho, Arizona
(12) Interior Southwest:
--New Mexico, Arizona, S. Colorado
(13) Phoenix and Tuscon Area
(14) Pacific Southwest:
--California, Most of Nevada
(15) Pacific Northwest:
--Washington, Oregon, Western Idaho
I'd largely agree. Though how old is this map? Miami should undoubtedly be placed in a different cultural category.
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