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You made this about Pittsburgh. And yes, we know, you've got low unemployment, etc., etc. And still nobody wants to live there The least of your concerns should be Charlotte or any other city, your city has terrible problems all its own that you can't seem to get a grip on...
LOL!! I can't believe your pulling out the Pew Research survey and a Bizjournal (a total rag) population forecast. I'm willing to bet that of the 2,260 people surveyed, most have never been to cities like Denver, Minneapolis, Tampa, or Sacramento. If they had, the results would look completely different.
I'll be honest about the Bizjournal forecast. It's complete crap. Their methodology is beyond worthless as all they did was basically average the growth rate of each metro from 2000-2008 and applied that rate over time. There is no way cities like Phoenix will continue to grow the way it has. Why? Well, it has to do with our economy. The collapse has and will change the way many cities/metros have been growing, including the Charlotte area, which now has the third highest unemployment rate among the nations largest metropolitan areas. Who would have thought five years ago that the Charlotte area would be right behind Detroit in unemployment numbers?
Those aren't rust belt cities, beside Chicago. And Columbus is highly over-rated. The city was losing people, nearly fell below 200,000 people in 2000.. it was only until they annexed land and suburbs that it appeared to be doing 'good'.
Oh and so you know Rust Belt is NOT synonymous with Midwest. Columbus didn't base it's industries on blue collar jobs.
After checking out the map, it does appear that Minneapolis isn't in the Rustbelt, but geographically, it does look like Chicago, Indy, and Columbus are. But I understand your point about the composition of the local economies. So I guess Chicago is the prime example of a Rustbelt city that refused to slide into decline.
JSome people could care less, but for me, who loves art and museums, I find that surprising for the size of Charlotte.
You know that's changing with the four new cultural facilities opening within the year that's part of the downtown cultural campus, right? At least give Charlotte credit for doing something about it.
You made this about Pittsburgh. And yes, we know, you've got low unemployment, etc., etc. And still nobody wants to live there The least of your concerns should be Charlotte or any other city, your city has terrible problems all its own that you can't seem to get a grip on...
Apparently someone hasn't seen all the "moving to pittsburgh" threads on the pittsburgh board........
Funny video.. this is sooo not a tourist video but a parody... thought it would be funny to see an ACTUAL tourist video where they talk about "poor people waiting at the bus stop"..
Funny video.. this is sooo not a tourist video but a parody... thought it would be funny to see an ACTUAL tourist video where they talk about "poor people waiting at the bus stop"..
That's one of the reasons I really dislike that video. If I moved to Cleveland, I'd be one of those "poor people" using mass transit. So, as someone who really was poor as a child, I guess I'm taking it a little personally.
LOL!! I can't believe your pulling out the Pew Research survey and a Bizjournal (a total rag) population forecast. I'm willing to bet that of the 2,260 people surveyed, most have never been to cities like Denver, Minneapolis, Tampa, or Sacramento. If they had, the results would look completely different.
I'll be honest about the Bizjournal forecast. It's complete crap. Their methodology is beyond worthless as all they did was basically average the growth rate of each metro from 2000-2008 and applied that rate over time. There is no way cities like Phoenix will continue to grow the way it has. Why? Well, it has to do with our economy. The collapse has and will change the way many cities/metros have been growing, including the Charlotte area, which now has the third highest unemployment rate among the nations largest metropolitan areas. Who would have thought five years ago that the Charlotte area would be right behind Detroit in unemployment numbers?
Its a sad day when people who live in depressed cities are looking to something such as a recessioin to try and reverse their bad fortunes. But the truth is, the recession will subside in a year or so, and then what???
I'll tell you...this is what...
...”Over the next couple of years, the region might fare relatively better in terms of population losses given the weakness in the national economy and the lack of job growth in other regions and the real estate problems in states such as Florida and Arizona. However, the long term economic push-pull factors for interstate migration that created the decades- long pattern of net out-migration from western Pennsylvania are still in place. Once the recession ends, they will re-assert themselves and therefore it is likely the pace of population loss in the region will pickup again…”
After checking out the map, it does appear that Minneapolis isn't in the Rustbelt, but geographically, it does look like Chicago, Indy, and Columbus are. But I understand your point about the composition of the local economies. So I guess Chicago is the prime example of a Rustbelt city that refused to slide into decline.
As someone from the heart of the rust belt I don't see Columbus and Indy as rust belt. Like Minneapolis, these cities were never built around heavy industry. Chicago is, and like you say was able to withstand the loss of industry that really hurt other rust belt cities. This is because of the shear size and diversity of the place as well as much better urban planning than other other cities.
After checking out the map, it does appear that Minneapolis isn't in the Rustbelt, but geographically, it does look like Chicago, Indy, and Columbus are. But I understand your point about the composition of the local economies. So I guess Chicago is the prime example of a Rustbelt city that refused to slide into decline.
Yeah, and I love Chicago. To me Cleveland is a mini-Chicago. There are all these negative articles and things said about Cleveland, but the surrounding areas (where 80% of the metro lives) is absolutely beautiful. I mean take a look at Rocky River, Bay Village, Chagrin Falls, Pepper Pike, Brecksville, etc, on google maps street view. There are 30 other suburbs exactly the same. Beautiful neighborhoods, with REAL houses, not those fake cookie-cutter homes that span for miles.
I think it's just a matter of time before Cleveland INNER city improves. There needs to be a transition from the blue collar jobs to more of the main stays already in the region like Health Care.
And why are people acting like Charlotte doesn't have it's problems? Here's a quote from The Economist:
Quote:
"No one is claiming Pittsburgh is perfect," he said, noting that Mr. Haulk "bragged a few years ago about how great Charlotte is, and now Charlotte is in total collapse."
See, I read it online so I believe it to be 100% true! (that's a lil joke considering that's how it works for Cleveland)
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The least of your concerns should be Charlotte or any other city, your city has terrible problems all its own that you can't seem to get a grip on...
