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AlGreen, nobody is justifying slavery. I just say, don't start it with the American South. That is -- as some northerners are prone to do -- pluck a miniscule part of history and make it the one to self-righteously condemn a whole people and region. Slavery has existed from the dawn of time and among all races and peoples and regions and nations.
I might add that you and I usally agree on most things concerning the South.
You may not be justifying it, but you sure are sugarcoating and downplaying it to fit in your romanticized view. And had the nerve to say I was being "hysterical" when I referred to some of the atrocities that occured. Typical, but not surprisng.
Just a room full of bitter people still upset over what happened many years ago. The Slave Era was a tragic point in American history and the confederates were definitely no saints, but at the same time the Confederate and Neo-Nazi comparison was pretty weak.
You may not be justifying it, but you sure are sugarcoating and downplaying it to fit in your romanticized view. And had the nerve to say I was being "hysterical" when I referred to some of the atrocities that occured. Typical, but not surprisng.
You have no room to call anyone out as you have showed your own hatred toward white southerners; all you ever do is call people rednecks and backwards. On top of that; you talk down on Black southerners. Try looking in the mirror before you attempt to check anyone else.
You have no room to call anyone out as you have showed your own hatred toward white southerners; all you ever do is call people rednecks and backwards. On top of that; you talk down on Black southerners. Try looking in the mirror before you attempt to check anyone else.
No, it's mainly the obnoxious Texans. I tend to get along with my family and friends from Georgia and North Carolina just fine. My white homegirl originally from Charlotte is cooler than a polar bear's toenails too.
And when I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw what a Beautiful, Intelligent, Talented, Charming, Hilarious Woman that I am.
Nice try at attempting to tell me about myself, but as usual, you fail. Go get you some business or go back to looking at Internet porn instead of interrupting grown folks conversation.
No, it's mainly the obnoxious Texans. I tend to get along with my family and friends from Georgia and North Carolina just fine. Oh, and white homegirl originally from Charlotte too.
And when I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw what a Beautiful, Intelligent, Talented, Charming, Hilarious Woman that I am.
Nice try at attempting to tell me about myself, but as usual, you fail. Go get you some business or go back to looking at Internet porn instead of interrupting grown folks conversation.
Wow are we back in high school???
Never make a comment like that than try to call yourself grown; it just doesn't flow right.
You seem to think you know about Confederate policy, so, what policies and legislation do you know of was influenced by Stephens, or was it Stephens just shooting off his mouth?
The second half of your first paragraph is pure BS. Because Genocide (Geno, as in Race, genetics, Cide, as in death) means exterminating people because of their race (Nazi Germany, Hitler and the Third Reich), I read my history right, the C.S.A. exterminated nobody.
When it comes to comparisons between Nazis and Confederates, you have to judge them both by the forms of government they had, and their stances on war and whatnot, Nazis and Confederates views on government and war were polar opposites. Which leads me to the conclusion that you are injecting emotions into the arguement, which isn't reasonable and makes your arguement fundamentally flawed.
I'm not one to "hate" other regions of the U.S., Reb has his opinions about other parts of the U.S., it's not like were hating on the south because we just never see that all the time . Were just saying the north isn't America's Godsend of morality.
And you are oversimplifying the history behind the war, there were CAUSES not one singular CAUSE. Never mind all the hundred or so years of antimosity between north and south, the differences in political philosiphy and regional beliefs, the whole Federalism vs. Anti-Federalism stuff mixed in with slavery, just make it all slavery and it gives you your own personalized little crusade to have.
I should also mention that Black Codes existed in the north BEFORE the Civil War, and limited black movement within said states. In 1930, about 30+ states had some sort of Jim Crow law, my native Arizona was VERY discriminating against hispanics and indians during those times, but you have to take those times for the time period they were in and not judge them by the morality standards of today.
Alexander Stephens was Vice President of the Confederacy his views were the views of THE VICE PRESIDENT! I do not care about the form of government! Origins of the American Civil Warthey have sources.
Millions of blacks died of because slavery, and they lived only to serve! Literally work to death, then if slaves tried to escape the punishment may have been death. You don't listen to spirituals do you? they're literally songs about how they wanted to died, the torture and dehumanization It’s like killing someone quick vs. killing someone slow. So yes that exterminating people because of their race, breaking up family, raping, beating, and killing I know what a Genocide is! I compared the Nazis to the Confederates for their will to fight for their racist believes. I don’t care which one was worse. Fighting to continued a racist system of slavery that have already existed for two and a half centuries or invading countries putting people in death camps both sick! And comparing and contrasting which one is worse, is sick.
I never said the south was totally reasonable for the Tran Atlantic slave trade but the confederacy advocated the continuing of racism and slavery that's the point of it existence, anything around that is a straw man and pseudohistory. United states made only 4% of the tran Atlantic slave trade, brazil made over 20% does this suppose to make US any better? The Confederacy represents a step in the wrong direction. Yes the Black codes existed in northern states umm ok do that suppose to make Confederacy better?
Hundreds and years? The Civil War started in 1861 the Declaration of Independence was sign in 1776. Technically speaking that not even a hundred years and the icing on the cake is most of the states involved in the civil war didn’t even exist then!
And @rob this is not an attacks on the south what your doing is embracing the Confederacy which is like grabbing the hot potato. There are many ways the south can be celebrated, but not everything should be celebrated just because something is history doesn’t make it heritage. How about this New York once had human zoos and minstrel shows these might not be the best way for New Yorker to celebrated New York. Remember these events not celebrate them.
You may not be justifying it, but you sure are sugarcoating and downplaying it to fit in your romanticized view. And had the nerve to say I was being "hysterical" when I referred to some of the atrocities that occured. Typical, but not surprisng.
Justifying? Who is justifying? What do you think, that I am just going to sit back and take this without replying?
I just don't get how some think they can come in and attack the South without expecting a counter-reply.
It seems that the "script" ought to go along the lines of some one comes in and points out the "sins" of the South...and that we Southerners (black or white) just ought to sit here and silently agree and go wash our heads in the nearest river to cleanse ourselves...
If we point out the other side of the issue" Then...suddenly we are accused of being unwarrantedly defensive. Sorry, I am NOT going to be an actor in that tired old play...
We ALL know atrocities occured. No Southerner denies this. But THAT point is telling in itself. Souitherners have begun to come to terms with our past. Perhaps that is why -- as mentioned earlier -- it is black and white Southerners who express the best outlook on race-relations. Which is something I can't say about many self-righteous yankees (and yeah, I know I should probably rid myself of that term...).
The worst racial outrages ever committed, in terms of large-scale, were in the North and West. Justify the New York Draft Riots. More blacks were beaten to death and lynched than any single incident in the South. If not more total in history...
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No, it's mainly the obnoxious Texans. I tend to get along with my family and friends from Georgia and North Carolina just fine. My white homegirl originally from Charlotte is cooler than a polar bear's toenails too.
. Were just saying the north isn't America's Godsend of morality.
