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Old 01-08-2014, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
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This is actually a pretty good question.

How about this; The year: 2093. A nuclear device is sneaked into New York City by a terrorist. The bomb is detonated, killing 9 million. A few months later a second nuclear explosion in Houston kills 5 million. The country is then divided into "security regions" that are independent nations that have alliances much like the U.S. has with Canada.

How about this; The year; 2071. Due to high numbers of illegal immigration, the extremely crowded, mostly Hispanic southwest votes for independence, making Southern California, Arizona, and New Mexico a separate nation.
Sounds like you're pitching movie premises! (I never go to this category of movies: are you actually adding synopses of movies already released here?)
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If anything it would be loss of faith in the Federal government that caused States to fall away from the Union. If the Fed was caught running a massive fraud on the American people then I could see many States attempting to bail.
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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If anything it would be loss of faith in the Federal government that caused States to fall away from the Union. If the Fed was caught running a massive fraud on the American people then I could see many States attempting to bail.

I think it is fair to say based on the history of the US that for a large chunk of the population there has never been any faith in the Fed Govt going back to the Civil War (War of Northern Agression to quite a few posters on here).
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Old 01-12-2014, 12:30 PM
 
Location: South Hampton Roads
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Do you think sometimes that the political unit is too large or do you think the US will still stay in tact?

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I think it will stay in tact unless something very drastic happens (war on our soil or a catastrophic natural disaster).

The folks calling for secession when Obama got in are dwindling in number, so there won't be any real threat from them.
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Old 01-13-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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Do you think sometimes that the political unit is too large or do you think the US will still stay in tact?

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No, but it would be better for the world if it did. A big bloated stupid country is no way to go through life son, to paraphrase Dean Wormer. The idea of what America was supposed to be is just a ghost of an idea now. The industriousness of the American people has been replaced by a bunch of obese walmart shoppers dependent on government entitlements and a small liberal elite all too happy to keep them that way. All we seem to aspire to now is to be a giant multicultural Sweden with bigger waistlines.
It would be better if it broke up into little pieces where people had more direct control over the government.

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Old 01-13-2014, 08:47 AM
 
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If anything it would be loss of faith in the Federal government that caused States to fall away from the Union. If the Fed was caught running a massive fraud on the American people then I could see many States attempting to bail.
States aren't going to just fall away from the Union or bail. Just because people are upset with how the Fed is running things does not mean that a state or states will be able to hold a vote or in any other way decide whether or not they will stick with the Union. Secession (at least in this country) is going to involve war and bloodshed. The U.S. Supreme Court has already made clear that there are no legal means with which a state can successfully secede from the Union. It doesn't matter if 100% of the citizens of [insert state here] decide that they are no longer going to put up with the Federal Gov't...that state isn't going anywhere unless the citizens decide to take up arms and go toe to toe with one of the most powerful military forces in the world. I personally don't see that happening anytime soon.

Other than a war (i.e. WWIII) or something as catastrophic happening on U.S. soil, I don't see any reason why the Union wouldn't stay intact. It is certainly possible that there's something out there that could shake the foundation of this country; countries have split apart before. I just think that it would take something that drastically changes our way of living for the worse before this country would be in danger of splitting apart.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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Total secession or break-up into smaller countries is highly unlikely.

What's possible is to devolve more power to the states away from the federal government.

However, right now the trend is in the other direction--more power to the federal branch.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Total secession or break-up into smaller countries is highly unlikely.

What's possible is to devolve more power to the states away from the federal government.

However, right now the trend is in the other direction--more power to the federal branch.

Imo it was LBJ that really bloated the Fed Govt. When you read diaries and personal writings from Americans living in the 50's, 40's and prior, they really seemed very patriotic about the US, even though the Fed Govt was much less involved in the everyday life of the country.
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