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Old 02-22-2014, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I don't think that laws deter most people from doing drugs, otherwise no one would be doing them. I think laws should aim for consistency.

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i think drug users ought to put down, or at least thirty years in prison. I have no use for a dope head or one anywhere around me.
You seem to have a fondness for killing people, that I can only attribute to your hatred for illegal drugs.

A lack of respect for life is a real problem for society. - people who would deprive others of life or liberty, in order to make their perfect society. Sure, some drug users have issues, but they pale in comparison to your lust for killing.

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Old 02-22-2014, 11:52 PM
 
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Because people will then blame the government for not banning them after they OD.

Personally for me, I don't smoke pot but it seems like the recent legalization in some states is probably a step in the direction I could see it going federally. Why? Because there's money (taxes) to be made off of it and when the government figures out how to do that, then it'll be legalized.

A big reason why drugs won't be legalized is because drugs being legal would eliminate a lot of jobs in the criminal justice system. That's a sad reality.
THIS ^^^^^ to the nTH degree!

Stop for a moment and examine historically, 'how' and 'what' the government one time made illegal, became 'legal' and how the revenue streams from said action flowed. (Gambling / Alcohol etc)

There is a reason certain drugs are not legalized and it is because, somehow, someway, the 'money flow' from the current 'activity' is already accruing to certain select individuals within government for one means or another. Since I don't like repeating myself here's a few posts that get to the fundamental problem.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post33136807

https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post33108654

https://www.city-data.com/forum/econo...l#post27849846


To Army_guy's point, any new 'Drug Trade Industry' will be set up whereby, the gubmint is the house (Casino model) and gets to maximize its take while the populace of users will be farmed and herded in their new climate controlled captive environment (Casino model again) and be walking sedated tools for scaring the **** out of the productive members of society and enabling the real 'owners' to stay in the background away from most of the destruction.
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Lockport, IL
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Big Pharma will never allow it. I'm VERY surprised that marijuana even made it this far (as far as legalizing), big Pharma stands to lose millions if people have the ability to start growing their own medicine. It's already been medically proven that marijuana can seriously help anxiety, depression, ADD, ADHD, Alzheimer's, etc....it has all the positive effects of the man-made pharmaceutical drugs, but without the arm-long list of negative/harmful side-effects.

And the "war on Drugs" is a total Farce. Do you want to know what the blunt truth is about the war on drugs? Drugs are declared legal or illegal based primarily on who benefits from their manufacture, distribution and sale! Read more details regarding this farce here: The raw (and ugly) truth about the war on drugs#
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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So keeping the drugs illegal while allowing alcohol and tobacco legal just makes no sense. How many people die every year from drunk drivers? How many people die from tobacco related cancer?

What just baffles me is how people continue to drink and drive and smoke when it's been common knowledge for many, many years that it's very, very bad. Who can honestly tell me that they didn't know that having a few drinks before getting behind the wheel is a terrible idea? Who can honestly say that smoking in this day and age is anything but really bad for you?

Yet it's perfectly legal while I can't legally purchase a dime bag of weed and have a nice relaxing evening sitting on my couch stoned while watching the olympics.
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Old 02-23-2014, 01:17 AM
 
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The use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes is an individual liberty that should not be infringed by government. All laws that penalize people for victimless crimes should be eliminated.

Some drugs are truly vile and dangerous, and can lead some users to behave in unacceptable ways. But that doesn't justify prohibiting the use or possession of the drug. It is the unacceptable behavior that should be addressed, not the drug.
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Old 02-23-2014, 01:29 AM
 
Location: England
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i think drug users ought to put down, or at least thirty years in prison. I have no use for a dope head or one anywhere around me.
Wow, that's a pretty strong opinion. Are you willing to be the one 'putting people down'? As others have said here, there are plenty of 'legal drug' users around. You know, the one's Governments profit from.

I don't use 'illegal' drugs..... I have never tried any of them in my 60 years. I don't mind a glass of wine, or a bacardi and coke on occasion...... I'm very pleased the Government allow this.

I used to go along with the official line, and the 'war on drugs.' I've watched for many years the drug bust on the television news. The smiling police chief standing over a pile of bags of heroin, or cocaine, weed, whatever.

I've watched the documentaries of secret police investigations following drug stashes around the world, catching 'drug lords' after sometimes months of surveillance...... at massive cost to the taxpayer. The increase in cost as teams of police get more and more money to pursue these criminals. Lots of folks jailed for illegal drug supply, and use.

You would think after all these years of criminal activity, and government crack down on this, we would be an illegal drug free society...... nope, we're not. Well, the answer is keep trying huh. Lock 'em up, and throw away the key..... yes sir!! Or even better, 'put them down.'!!

Now, lets get real. The 'war on drugs' is a massive, expensive failure. The problem is, there is a 'supply and demand' issue here. Sad as it is, folks want drugs. Both legal and illegal. We are a weak willed creature, and gain pleasure from getting off our faces on various drugs. Doctors supply many of them, with government approval.

Others, not approved like heroin have their fans. The trouble is, by making such drugs illegal, and very expensive, makes criminals of their users. But, once addicted, they need a lot of money to feed their habit. This results in real criminal activity like mugging, shop lifting, and burglary. Various Governments around the world have demonized illegal drug use for so many years, they can't really back peddle. All those folks punished by law enforcement. It would make them look really foolish huh?

The problem we have is, some drugs governments say, 'yes you can.' Others, 'no you can't.' It really is time to stop this, and allow people to decide for themselves. Stop criminalizing folks putting substances into their own bodies. It should be up to them, not officialdom. Some folks are stupid, always have been, always will. That's just the way it is sadly. All we as a society should do is warn people of the dangers, then let them make up their own mind.

Instead of wasting billions fighting illegal drug use, spend some of that money on education, and helping addicts come off drugs. Most people will still avoid dangerous drugs like heroin like the plague. It's stupid to argue legalizing them will make more addicts. Even if this is so, helping them is cheaper than all this law enforcement, and building more jails.

A few years ago, I was in a chemist shop in Manchester. My wife and I had gone in to buy some plasters for her foot. As we waited to pay, a man came in, and walked to the Pharmacy counter. A small cup of green liquid was poured out for him. Just a very small plastic cup full. He drank it, and left. I asked what is was. "Methadone" was the reply. Even I know this is a drug supplied to heroin addicts to wean them off heroin. I guess giving him that is a lot cheaper than the addict robbing and stealing from ordinary folks to feed his addiction.

Governments seem quite happy to be the drug suppliers of choice when it suits them. Generally when they profit from it. One thing puzzles me. See all those soldiers we have in Afghanistan? The ones bringing democracy to an oppressed people? Well, some of those people grow poppies to be made into opium. Fields everywhere full of poppies. That country is the major supplier of the worlds heroin. Growing more than ever before. Ask yourself this..... why are we not burning these fields of poppies? All those helicopters..... spotting the flowers is easy. How come we allow those farmers to continue supplying much of the worlds heroin? Have a good long think about it.
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Old 02-23-2014, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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make all drugs legal with NO strings attached.
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Old 02-23-2014, 05:34 AM
 
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Sure do you need some loony cocaine addict flip out stabbing people and stealing running around
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Old 02-23-2014, 05:44 AM
 
Location: England
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Sure do you need some loony cocaine addict flip out stabbing people and stealing running around
How about a looney drunk flip out stabbing people...... that OK with you? Alcohol is the number one problem drug. Nothing else anywhere near. May be we should ban alcohol? Hang on.... it's been tried before. How did that work out?
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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Police will have to protect and serve and not seize and confiscate any more. Not to mention poor DEA agents having to find other employment.
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