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Old 02-23-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Legalize it. If more people die from it then that's simply natural selection. Everybody knows drugs can kill you even children know this, so if you decide to use them you deserve anything that happens to you.

You don't touch a hot stove top on purpose because you know it will burn you. You shouldn't use drugs because it most likely will kill you.

I hear people say well people make mistakes. No. Using drugs is not a mistake it's a choice. You can't accidentally put a crack pipe to your mouth you CHOOSE to.

This may sound harsh to some but reality is harsh.
There are also many of us that believe it is both a choice and a serious mistake. There are also people that have recovered from drug addiction, regardless of how we characterize the use (choice or mistake). I agree people should not use drugs. I believe that marijuana legalization will happen in most U.S. states in the next decade or so.
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:51 PM
 
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Because Tylenol is stuck in with other drugs and marketed as safe cold medicine or pain reliever. Drugs should never be mixed. People overdose and wreck their liver on Tylenol because its mixed in all the drugs they take. If that happened with any non big pharm drug, we'd have millions of soccer moms calling for it's banishment. If recreational drugs were mixed, it'd be bad too, say cocaine and heroin. And the little label doesn't aware the consumer enough of the risks of Tylenol.

Anybody have an opinion about legalizing amphetamine but keeping methamphetamine illegal?
Why make methamphetamine illegal? Isn't this thread about legalizing ALL drugs and letting people make their own decisions (and hopefully also pay for the results of their own decisions like their hospital care when they OD). If someone prefers meth over other forms of speed, shouldn't it be their choice?

Same for those who would like to shoot up krokodil -- their choice.

Same applies for anyone who wants to produce highly addictive substances -- if I can find someone who will buy it, who should care what all I put in it? Or what it does to the user?
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Atlantis
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Legalizing drugs is not just about making substances that are currently illegal, available for sale without the violation of any laws occurring:

Governments are not so much concerned about drugs being legal as they are the fact that if they were more readily available and able to be purchased without violating the law - the source of the drugs could not be controlled and taxed as strictly as the government would want. Drugs even if legal are a hard product to control and/or tax if you are a state or federal government that wants to exercise as much control over the production, distribution and sale of drugs as is already done with every other product and service in the economy.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Maybe legalizing all drugs isn't such a bad idea .


Right now 105 people die every day from overdosing and that is with illegal, hence somewhat hard to acquire, drugs. If we legalize them the death rate is sure to climb, especially if the market drives the price down. Every day we would lose hundreds or possibly thousands of people who thought so little of their lives that they took that risk. Win some, lose some.

Think of it as thinning the herd. It will weed out the people who are dumb enough to do the drugs in the first place, leaving only those people behind who are smart enough to not fall into that pit. This might be a way of controlling the ever growing population, and it would make more room and jobs for those of us who abstain. We didn't need those losers around anyway.

I like this idea !!! Party on !!!!

Don
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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Maybe legalizing all drugs isn't such a bad idea .


Right now 105 people die every day from overdosing and that is with illegal, hence somewhat hard to acquire, drugs. If we legalize them the death rate is sure to climb, especially if the market drives the price down. Every day we would lose hundreds or possibly thousands of people who thought so little of their lives that they took that risk. Win some, lose some.

Think of it as thinning the herd. It will weed out the people who are dumb enough to do the drugs in the first place, leaving only those people behind who are smart enough to not fall into that pit. This might be a way of controlling the ever growing population, and it would make more room and jobs for those of us who abstain. We didn't need those losers around anyway.

I like this idea !!! Party on !!!!

Don
And what an easy way to make some extra cash.

The smart thing to do would be to find chemicals that are most addictive and get them hooked so they'll want to keep coming back for more. You don't want it to be too toxic and have them die on you -- you want to keep your customers -- but you would want whatever chemical you produce to be powerful enough that they'll sell their car, their home, their own children, steal from their own grandmother in order to get more and more. The cheaper the raw ingredients of course the better, the higher the profits.

And forget that stuff about not making it available to children -- just like beer is legal and supposedly regulated -- it's also very available to children. You can hook them while they're young and stupid if you play your cards right.
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Old 02-23-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Why make methamphetamine illegal? Isn't this thread about legalizing ALL drugs and letting people make their own decisions (and hopefully also pay for the results of their own decisions like their hospital care when they OD). If someone prefers meth over other forms of speed, shouldn't it be their choice?

Same for those who would like to shoot up krokodil -- their choice.

Same applies for anyone who wants to produce highly addictive substances -- if I can find someone who will buy it, who should care what all I put in it? Or what it does to the user?
Well, it's safest to start legalizing the least addictive or euphoric drugs. I even think it'd be a bad idea just to let them all open at once. The reason for legalizing amphetamines over meth is that the ease of access to amphetamines would undercut a large portion of the meth demand crowd, although there would still be some who would manufacture meth, but the number would be smaller.

People don't ingest poison purposefully. None of the illegal drugs are poison if used in moderation. Just ask how many people use datura. If the benefits are outweighed by risks, people won't do that drug.

Also, there is only one addiction, dopamine addiction. It doesn't matter what drug causes certain people to release the dopamine, it's just the continual desire for more happiness that drives mental addiction. Putting physical addiction aside, it's not the drug, its the addict, and addicts are just people who are poor and unintelligent choice makers. But then sometimes you have to wonder if being a responsible addict is a bad thing?
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:36 AM
 
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A friend of mine had a heart attack at the age of 21 because of cocaine. You really want to make that stuff legal?

What I do not understand is why do people think these drug dealers aren't going to go on and find something else illegal to do? Do you really think they're going to just become law abiding citizens?
Did someone put a gun to your friend's head and force him to do cocaine? If people are going to be stupid and do stupid things even though they know it is bad for them, GOOD RIDDANCE.
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:46 AM
 
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Did someone put a gun to your friend's head and force him to do cocaine? If people are going to be stupid and do stupid things even though they know it is bad for them, GOOD RIDDANCE.
That about sums it up. Some people will choose to destroy themselves with drugs, just as some do with alcohol. Legalizing drugs is not a good choice, there is no good choice, it is the only choice. We have to remove the profit from drug dealing to end it.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:02 AM
 
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How bout before legalizing drugs, the USA lowers their strict policies on alcohol.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:26 AM
 
Location: England
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Did someone put a gun to your friend's head and force him to do cocaine? If people are going to be stupid and do stupid things even though they know it is bad for them, GOOD RIDDANCE.
This is in effect, my opinion. Billions have been spent all over the world for decades trying to stop people doing something they want to do. Authorities have tried locking folks up in jail, even executing drug runners and dealers in certain countries. Nothing works..... there is too much money to be made.

If we carry on down this road, we will continue to waste taxpayers money in vast amounts. It really is time to stop, it's futile.

We have to legalize and tax drugs. Make sure they are of good quality. Ensure laws are set up so taking drugs is 'at your own risk.' Don't want family members of dead addicts suing the authorities..... It would take a lot of figuring out by smarter folks than me, but it could be done. I believe the damage, and cost, would be far less than what we are doing now. Locking folks up in jail for drug offences is a waste of time. Plus, as others have said, thinning of the idiot herd would be a good thing. Cruel, but true.
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