In retrospect, was creating Israel a bad idea?

[Ohio1803]

Originally Posted by Retired at 44

This is partly true but completely misleading. I agree that US intervention in the Middle East was the catalyst, but the motivation is that we are Infidel. There is a Holy Commandment to kill all Infidel. The West and the East are Infidel and must be killed, according to Islamic faith and doctrine. For Islam, there can be no middle ground. It is a Holy War. There can be no peace. There can be no co-existence.

No the motivation to the attack the U.S. is not because we are infidels in their eyes. The reason that has been stated over and over again by OBL, Anwar Al-Alawaki, etc.. is because of what the U.S. does in the Middle East. Supporting dictators in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Eygpt, etc.., unlimited support for Israel in the Israel/Palestine conflict, occupying countries and infringing on their sovereignty (Iraq and Syria), and needlessly involving the U.S. in internal Middle Eastern conflicts(Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen).

The same commandment is in the Bible too to convert or kill those that are not of the Christian faith. While Anwar Al-Alawaki and OBL were Muslim, they have repeatedly stated they want to force the U.S., and any other power out of the region that tried to interfere in it. Same thing Ho Chi Minh, and the Vietcong fought the French, and later the U.S. in Vietnam. At the same time Indonesia is a majority Muslim country, but not once has Indonesia tried to fight Australia because Australia was not an Islamic country.

[LS Jaun]

Originally Posted by PeaceAndLove42

Since creating Israel all we've managed to do is continually **** off just about every other nation in that area. Had Israel never been created would we have better relations with those people in the middle east?

I get that Israel is supposed to be the "Jewish home" or what have you, but is it really worth it when just about all of your neighbors would love nothing more than to see you dead?

Personally, I think it would've been better for everyone had we given the Jews their own little Jewish island, like Madagascar for example. They get their own little island to call their own and we don't have to deal with everyone and their mom in the middle east wanting to kill us and fly planes into buildings.

As an American it has really bothered me how we have to suffer just because Jews have made enemies wherever they've gone. When 9/11 happened the terrorists should have been in Israel not America. Israel can be hit by a nuke sent by mecha-Hitler for all I care, I just hate how ever since WWII all the Jews' problems have become ours!

And no, since there is no such thing as a "god" Jews do not have a "right" to any land. I am very convinced that creating Israel was one of the worst mistakes in human history.

So what do you think? If Israel were to never have existed would we be on better terms with other ME countries?

Was creating the modern boundries of Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait a mistake? Was creating the USA, Mexico or Canada a mistake? Boundries of every country in this world evolve and will never remain static.

[WillH98]

Israel wasn't so much created, the mandate expired and Jews in British Palestine declared independence in a territory they comprised 52% of the population with the other 48% not wanting to be part of a "jewish homeland"

[LS Jaun]

Originally Posted by WillH98

Israel wasn't so much created, the mandate expired and Jews in British Palestine declared independence in a territory they comprised 52% of the population with the other 48% not wanting to be part of a "jewish homeland"

And the Muslim countries around them couldn't stand a non-Islamic state being formed in an area that the Islamist had conquered, which leads us to what we have today.