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Old 02-08-2015, 11:36 PM
 
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Huge crowd of Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons - Telegraph

Huge crowd of Muslim protestors picket Downing Street to protest the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Yet a huge crowd of muslims is NOT protesting ISIS, or doing anything about ISIS' spread in the middle east, or their beheadings of non-Muslims.

Is Islam a safe religion to have in non-Islamic countries? Why don't muslims ever do anything about the more radical muslims? Wouldn't they, as muslims, be able to exert more control over ISIS and other radical muslim groups than non-muslims would?

Isn't their refusal to stop ISIS a tell on what they actually think about sharia law and muslim fundamentalist violence?
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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They're protesting for their beliefs. They have every right to do that. Many Christians would do the same thing is something about Jesus was published.

And why don't they protest about ISIS. Well, some do. Why not more? Well, you do you think? They're regular people. They want to go to work, spend time with their family, and enjoy their life. Just because they, by accident of birth, were born into a religion that happens to currently have a very violent sect does not mean THEY are responsible for stopping them.

A Muslim in America can do no more to stop ISIS than you or me. A Muslim in Iraq probably could, but they risk getting their head chopped off, so I can understand their silence.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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They're protesting for their beliefs. They have every right to do that. Many Christians would do the same thing is something about Jesus was published.

And why don't they protest about ISIS. Well, some do. Why not more? Well, you do you think? They're regular people. They want to go to work, spend time with their family, and enjoy their life. Just because they, by accident of birth, were born into a religion that happens to currently have a very violent sect does not mean THEY are responsible for stopping them.

A Muslim in America can do no more to stop ISIS than you or me. A Muslim in Iraq probably could, but they risk getting their head chopped off, so I can understand their silence.
I'd say the reason they'd get their heads chopped off is because more of them don't speak out. If Muslims protested enmass (and lets be honest, they have done so for other reasons) ISIS would be isolated and wither quickly.

ISIS only survives because Muslims around the world remain nearly silent, with the exception of the recent burning of the Jordanian pilot.

Even there, had Muslims done something about ISIS before, that pilot might be alive today.

The same phenomenon happens in the USA though. Look at how blacks started protesting enmass about Ferguson all the while remaining silent about black on black violence. Not much difference in why it happens.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Well in this country Muslims have the freedom to protest. In many countries in the Middle East that is impossible and their very lives may be at risk if they attempt it.
I don't understand it either how suicide bombers are simply a fact of life over there and almost accepted.
I can only think how difficult it would be to be the one to stand up and say enough is a enough to those ISIS idiots. That one brave person would quickly find himself in a cage doused with gasoline.

It is sort of like pre World War 2 when the Nazis were rounding up the Jews. The Jewish people had their rights eroded away until they had none and finally their right to life was taken from them. Many saw it happening and did nothing out of fear they would be next. I suspect it is the same in the Middle East.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Santa FE NM
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Mangokiwi,

Your anger and frustration are obvious, and understandable. Unfortunately, your ethnocentrism and lack of information/understanding are also quite obvious and NOT understandable. TheDusty's comment, just below your initial post, hit the nail on the head.

To be quite clear, Muslims ARE actively fighting the self-proclaimed Islamic State. Arab troops from Iraq and non-Arab troops from the Kurdish communities of northern Iraq & southern Turkey, all of whom are Muslim, are fighting them every day. The Jordanian pilot (also Muslim) that ISIS recently burned alive was flying a combat mission against the Islamic State. Though the claim is doubtful at best, ISIS maintains that the 26-year-old American aid worker, Kayla Jean Mueller, was killed by a Jordanian air strike. Iran, a non-Arab Muslim nation, has offered to lend a hand in the conflict as well, but their offer was rebuffed by the United States.

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Old 02-09-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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Huge crowd of Muslim protestors picket Downing Street to protest the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Yet a huge crowd of muslims is NOT protesting ISIS, or doing anything about ISIS' spread in the middle east, or their beheadings of non-Muslims....
Given that most of ISIS's victims are the Muslims who fall under their control and are tortured and killed for transgressions against the ISIS regime's view of proper conduct, I would expect more public expressions of concern from Muslims too. But Muslim do protest.

British Muslims stage anti-ISIS protest march in London | News | LondonlovesBusiness.com

When Will Conservatives Acknowledge Muslim Outcry Against ISIS? | The Public Slate

Isis Protests: German Muslims Demonstrate Against Islamic State 'Murderers'

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/pers...oin-ISIS-.html
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:57 AM
 
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ISIS only survives because Muslims around the world remain nearly silent...
With all due respect, nope. ISIS has been actively recruiting young people from around the world to join them. The worldwide Muslim community, startled and very concerned by their initial success, has begun active and quite focused countermeasures.


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Old 02-09-2015, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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I'd say the reason they'd get their heads chopped off is because more of them don't speak out. If Muslims protested enmass (and lets be honest, they have done so for other reasons) ISIS would be isolated and wither quickly.

ISIS only survives because Muslims around the world remain nearly silent, with the exception of the recent burning of the Jordanian pilot.

Even there, had Muslims done something about ISIS before, that pilot might be alive today.

The same phenomenon happens in the USA though. Look at how blacks started protesting enmass about Ferguson all the while remaining silent about black on black violence. Not much difference in why it happens.
And do you think a group of Muslims will be effective? Because I don't. ISIS would happily open fire into a crowd of protesters or detonate an explosion in the middle of it.

The Middle East in not America. Protesting in America, at worst, may put you at risk of mild police over aggression and tear gas. There's a lot more at stake over there. Protesting may mean walking away without an arm or shrapnel imbedded in your chest, if you walk away at all.

As I said, there silence is reasonable. Their terrified, and I don't blame them.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Muslims appear caught between religious factions whereby ISIS makes a claim to be linked to the muslim faith which is simply imagined as ISIS has NO association with God or the muslim faith relegating them to simply terrorists with a self applied "title" of Islam implying a connect to muslims. Muslims on the other hand are linked to their prophet Mohammed ( no praise upon him sorry) and are furious when he is mocked. The muslims in many countries are fighting ISIS. Muslims here
in US have no agenda to "take over thr world" they are more interested in education, shopping at the mall and having smart
phones , but naturally being free for prayers and mosque.

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Old 02-09-2015, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Muslims appear caught between religious factions wheteby ISIS
makes a claim to be linked to the muslim faith which is simply
imagined as ISIS has NO association with God or the muslim faith relegating them to simply terrorists with a self applied "title" of Islam implying a connect to muslims. Muslims on the other hand are linked to their prophet Mohammed ( no praise upon him sorry)and are furious when he is mocked. The muslims in many countries are fighting ISIS.
Muslims are probably the largest group fighting ISIS currently. Jordan, Turkey, Syria; it's in many Middle Eastern country's best interest to fight ISIS.

This notion that Muslims are being too passive with the issue is nonsense. Muslims states are doing more to fight ISIS than we are, which makes sense since ISIS directly effects them.
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