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I posted this response in your other thread so I'll copy and paste it here:
Have you looked at the negatives that are involved with increasing the population?
Our resources are finite. We are running out of potable water and buildable land. Our infrastructure is crumbling and there isn't the money to properly repair it---let alone add to it. We have gridlock on many of our roads.
Back in the 60s, liberals were all about ZPG (zero population growth) to the point that many decided to not have kids so they wouldn't contribute to overpopulation. Now, liberals are pushing to add more and more people. Talk about doing a 180!
Why is decreasing population so worrisome? If anything, it means that we are looking to the future when it comes to managing natural resources and preserving farmland.
Now many of these 60s liberals are aging. So their care more about the fiscal future than their ideology back then. It's about them and their priority is different.
no! the way to solve the low birthrate is to increase the birthrate of the native people. Otherwise the mixing of races will eventually bring the country down.
no! the way to solve the low birthrate is to increase the birthrate of the native people. Otherwise the mixing of races will eventually bring the country down.
It is easier said than done. I reckon a lot of methods have been tried out and failed, which is the reason we are at this birth rate today. Do you have a new way to get people to make babies?
Young immigrants is one way (as long as they are not dependent on the present population), OR start encouraging folks to save and take care of themselves in their "old age"...that way, everyone is responsible for themselves...so a declining population won't be a "drain" on society!
The old have done very well for themselves and paid into the government MANDATED ponzi schemes of SS & Medicare. Granted they will likely get more out of Medicare than they put in, due to high medical care costs and longer lifespans than were accounted for.
However if they were allowed to keep their hard earned money SS wise, they would be better off making their own investments. So unlike many immigrants who come here with little to no education or skills above manual labor, they are not as big a drain on our society as the newer crop of immigrants who take more than they contribute will be.
As to birth rates vs. immigration vs. affluence, the people who decide to have fewer kids because of economics, narcissism and time constraints are whom the blame should be pointed. The unskilled poor are having birth rates much higher than the affluent, and as a result, their offspring will not be as likely to become productive members of our society. We need to have immigrants come in legally that have skill sets and educational standards to improve our society, not be a burden upon it.
I posted this response in your other thread so I'll copy and paste it here:
Have you looked at the negatives that are involved with increasing the population?
2.07 is the replacement rate, which is a stable population... not increasing. Overpopulation is a myth.
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD
Our resources are finite. We are running out of potable water and buildable land. Our infrastructure is crumbling and there isn't the money to properly repair it---let alone add to it. We have gridlock on many of our roads.
No, they are not. The earth is not a closed system.. it receives enormous amounts of energy (that we can harvest) from the sun. Potable water is irrelevant.. we have the technology to filter water. Water doesn't get consumed... it just changes state.
Money is not finite at all. Money is made up imaginary points on the computer screens of all our central banks in the world. You are consuming LIE after LIE after LIE.
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD
Back in the 60s, liberals were all about ZPG (zero population growth) to the point that many decided to not have kids so they wouldn't contribute to overpopulation. Now, liberals are pushing to add more and more people. Talk about doing a 180!
Our birth rate was a lot higher then, which is evidenced by the inflation rates and concern of oil shortages.
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD
Why is decreasing population so worrisome? If anything, it means that we are looking to the future when it comes to managing natural resources and preserving farmland.
It means the human race is not sustaining itself.
More importantly, the economy declines if population declines. Do you think the capitalists will allow your bigotry and fear to prevent them from earning profit?!?!
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Originally Posted by Waterlily Pad
Declining population is a good thing for the earth and fellow humans. There are too many of us fighting over the limited resources. Brutal.
No, it is not. Declining population means humans are dying off.
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Cheap labor? That's a joke, right? Their anchor babies are born into poverty and we pay for the births, the WIC, the medical insurance and the more expensive education since English is not their first language and their parents often have no education at all. And, then, on payday they are sending US dollars back to Mexico while we, legal citizens, are spending our dollars in the community/state/OUR country which is good for the economy. They, illegal immigrants, are sucking the life out of us. Forgot to mention the illness, bugs, etc. they are bringing into the country at a steady rate!
We don't need population especially with decreasing water supplies. Yet another element that will make us have further support the illegals unless they leave since you'll see the livestock business start to wind down with limited water supplies and just the cost involved. People are eating less meat and the industry is becoming less dependent on uneducated labor.
Water is a renewable resource. The facts have no time to tolerate your bigotry.
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If we could all have had babies for free and had them mean more money in our pockets, rather than less, maybe we would have replaced our population.
No jobs. Limited natural resources. People living like crowded rats in some of the cities. No need for worrying about not replacing the population.
People living in crowded cities has nothing to do with our ability to sustain our population or resources. People live in cities because society is structured around economic opportunities and infrastructure. They are both found in cities.
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Originally Posted by engineman
The US population has doubled in my lifetime. I do not believe that this has made it a better place to live.
The real problem is the rampant population growth in the third world.
Growth is not "rampant" in the third world. The global birth rate is just under 2.5.
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no! the way to solve the low birthrate is to increase the birthrate of the native people. Otherwise the mixing of races will eventually bring the country down.
What evidence is there that melanin content affects the productivity of a country?
Right... no evidence at all.. just bigotry.
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Originally Posted by AmFest
It is easier said than done. I reckon a lot of methods have been tried out and failed, which is the reason we are at this birth rate today. Do you have a new way to get people to make babies?
Yep. Stop locking people up in prison. Stop shipping men overseas to wage useless wars. Stop telling poor people to go die. Pay them a wage that will enable them to sustain families.
The old have done very well for themselves and paid into the government MANDATED ponzi schemes of SS & Medicare. Granted they will likely get more out of Medicare than they put in, due to high medical care costs and longer lifespans than were accounted for.
However if they were allowed to keep their hard earned money SS wise, they would be better off making their own investments. So unlike many immigrants who come here with little to no education or skills above manual labor, they are not as big a drain on our society as the newer crop of immigrants who take more than they contribute will be.
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Social Security is not an investment; it is social insurance. Both social security and Medicare are paid for the same way other services are paid for; the Federal government issues an order to commercial banks to credit the accounts of the party in question.
Money is made up. You people need to get it through your heads. Money has no tangible value. Its "value" is derived solely from law.
Money is not a limited resource. Therefore, it is not a valid justification for ostracizing immigrants or telling them they don't deserve services. This is just another example of greed using bigotry as an instrument of control.
There is no problems getting qualified workers as immigrants in the western nations. Nations now want what they need not just the general body of a person to support. We can get Mexicans lower level skilled by Visas as needed.
The birth rate in the US is lower than 1.9, way below the 2.1 needed to maintain the population. As birth rate stays low, not only will the population eventually decrease but the demographic composition will also shift toward the old. Already about 20% of the US population is above the age of 65. As mortality improves, the old population will increase while the younger population is declining with birth rate and also has to devote more resources and labor to taking care of the old. Eventually this will be unsustainable. The problem is even more pronounced in a few other developed countries.
An obvious solution is allowing more young immigrants, but I was wondering if there is another real solution apart from this.
Letting Illegal Immigrants, (or Criminals) into the Country is NOT helping anything. Its doing damage to this Country. The increase in demand for goods they cause, and the demands for gasoline they burn keep our costs high, they are raping our Social Services systems, driving cars with no licenses and no insurance, and taking jobs from working Americans.
The solution is send all Illegal Immigrants back where they came from, Stop giving away our money to other Countries, Ban any Corporations based here from selling a product made by cheap outsourced labor, to be sold here and stop exporting Democracy. Make Corporate Fraud a Capital Crime, enforce the Laws on the books regulating Wall street, ban speculation on fuel and food products unless your taking delivery and paying in cash. Ban selling the these commodities to foreign buyers, unless we have a surplus.
Also, change the fact that the upper 1% of the population owns 57% of our National wealth. Make laws that limit the size of Corporations and limit what they can charge as profit margins. Raise the taxes on the wealthy and lower their deductions.
No Illegal Immigrants...None...Deport them... let them apply to come here like everyone else.
I read a past article in The Economist, as to how France was responding to their low fertility rate, one of the few countries to raise their fertility rate, but at big price to the government: free day care, lower income taxes and free train tickets!
That would be one good way to increase the fertility rate in this country, for starters: free day care paid for by the government!
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