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Boxing is the greatest of sports. It can be brutal sometimes, especially when mismatches are made.
I think it should be heavily regulated. Get rid of all the alphabet organizations, all of whom have their own rules. Gloves should be designed to minimize damage. A greater emphasis should be put on scoring points, not knocking a person unconscious. Fights should be stopped when an opponent obviously is being beaten. Mismatches should be minimized or eliminated. Fights should be limited to 10 rounds, 3 minutes each. That's plenty of time to determine a winner.
I think there should be a generous pension for these warriors, and they should receive the utmost in medical care, for the rest of their lives, no matter what their condition is. A fighter who is retired shouldn't have to sell all his worldly possessions and live in poverty, just to get by. Every fighter should be able to live comfortably after he/she retires.
If you ban the "Sweet Science", you might as well ban all major sports.
In some countries boxing is seen as a way to get out of poverty. Boxing is also a dangerous violent sport that has caused brain damage and death. Should the civilized world ban boxing as a sport?
I must ask; where in the world do you even come up with something like this? Do you jsut sit in a chair, watching TV or something, then it just hits you "I think we should ban (fill in the blank)"?
Many things cause brain damage and death; is this the beginning of some crusade to ban everything that has a remote possibility of injury? Of course I am sure your banning of things would not dare interfere with your comfort, like banning roofers, ditch diggers, cars, etc, even though those activities are dangerous, you probably state they are "needed" therefore are worth the risks.
Boxing for one is a volunteer sport, no one is forced into it. Also, while some people get damaged and killed, many more do not. Is it risky? Yes it is, but so are many other activities. You seem to be against a guy getting into boxing, yet probably promote this same guy doing some dangerous labor job like in the timber industry or as a cop; am I correct?
Boxing is the greatest of sports. It can be brutal sometimes, especially when mismatches are made.
I think it should be heavily regulated. Get rid of all the alphabet organizations, all of whom have their own rules. Gloves should be designed to minimize damage. A greater emphasis should be put on scoring points, not knocking a person unconscious. Fights should be stopped when an opponent obviously is being beaten. Mismatches should be minimized or eliminated. Fights should be limited to 10 rounds, 3 minutes each. That's plenty of time to determine a winner.
I think there should be a generous pension for these warriors, and they should receive the utmost in medical care, for the rest of their lives, no matter what their condition is. A fighter who is retired shouldn't have to sell all his worldly possessions and live in poverty, just to get by. Every fighter should be able to live comfortably after he/she retires.
If you ban the "Sweet Science", you might as well ban all major sports.
There are points, if someone exposes themselves and gets KO, that is their fault. The only way you will prevent a KO is to put gloves on so large, it would not even be boxing but one of those circus events. It is regulated, not sure what more regulation you want, you have any in mind? Mismatches are minimized, hence the weight classes and the fact that a person has to work their way up from the bottom by winning, a new guy or a guy 0-16 is not going to get put in the ring with a champion.
As for fights being stopped, it is only when the ref thinks the person is incapable of making such a decision, other than that, the boxer should be the one dictating when they are done or not.
What I think should be banned, or at least much more heavily regulated, are the proliferating ultra-violent "trash sports" with their alphabet-soup titles: MMA, UFC, BJJ, who knows what-all.
I never had a problem with traditional martial arts, legit (non-WWE) wrestling, or boxing because you can at least rationalize that it takes a true athlete to excel at them. Those guys - and an increasing but still comparatively tiny number of women - "train insane" and develop ridiculous levels of strength, agility, and stamina as a result. It takes true skill to maneuver around flying fists while finding openings to land blows of your own, execute a throw while held down on your back, etc. The sensei (teachers/masters) of martial arts don't only impart their knowledge, they instill in their pupils from Day One that they are to lead ethical lives and only unleash their fighting expertise against an opponent or when attacked elsewhere. Similarly, wrestlers and boxers who train under conscientious coaches are admonished to "never take it outside competition" - focus only on the person you're looking to beat in a match and nobody else anywhere else.
None of this is applicable to the "alphabet-soup trash sports" racking up record viewership on pay-per-view TV and selling out arenas (more often 3rd-rate casinos.) The whole point is to beat the living daylights out of the other guy - "train insane" still applies to be sure, but little else does and certainly not the ethical "total person" part. It's nothing more than a barroom brawl glorified by chain-link-framed octagons and prancing round-card babes. It's sadism and anger management issues run amok: "Why go in for a 'combative art' that doesn't allow for choking, kicking, dislocating joints, and fun stuff like that? I wanna F somebody up!" The Tsarnaev brothers, better known as the Boston Marathon bombers, were all about MMA. They were fixtures at a Boston gym specializing in the stuff. What shining examples.
Regulate that crap to the hilt. An outright ban (though ideal) would be as useless as any prohibition has ever been - "it just gets driven underground."
What I think should be banned, or at least much more heavily regulated, are the proliferating ultra-violent "trash sports" with their alphabet-soup titles: MMA, UFC, BJJ, who knows what-all.
How in the world are they "trash sports"? UFC is not a sport, it is an organization. WHy should they be banned?
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I never had a problem with traditional martial arts, legit (non-WWE) wrestling, or boxing because you can at least rationalize that it takes a true athlete to excel at them.
So, wrestling is fine, yet BJJ is not? Do you even know what BJJ is? Boxing and wrestling is fine but MMA is not? Do you even know what MMA is? Are you saying that those who participate in MMA, BJJ, etc are not athletes?
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Those guys - and an increasing but still comparatively tiny number of women - "train insane" and develop ridiculous levels of strength, agility, and stamina as a result. It takes true skill to maneuver around flying fists while finding openings to land blows of your own, execute a throw while held down on your back, etc.
Not sure what you are getting at here...other than you are saying only those in wrestling, boxing, etc only have true skills?
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The sensei (teachers/masters) of martial arts don't only impart their knowledge, they instill in their pupils from Day One that they are to lead ethical lives and only unleash their fighting expertise against an opponent or when attacked elsewhere. Similarly, wrestlers and boxers who train under conscientious coaches are admonished to "never take it outside competition" - focus only on the person you're looking to beat in a match and nobody else anywhere else.
All sports are like this, show me one sport, gym, etc that promotes its members to just go out and fight outside competition. It is clear you have no experieince and knowledge in this issue.
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None of this is applicable to the "alphabet-soup trash sports" racking up record viewership on pay-per-view TV and selling out arenas (more often 3rd-rate casinos.) The whole point is to beat the living daylights out of the other guy - "train insane" still applies to be sure, but little else does and certainly not the ethical "total person" part. It's nothing more than a barroom brawl glorified by chain-link-framed octagons and prancing round-card babes.
I do not recall ever seeing BJJ on TV, let alone for it to have any sort of record viewership. I really think you have no idea what you are talking about. You jsut hate the people competing in the UFC, know that they are into MMA, in which you discovered the basis of a lot of MMA trianing is BJJ and MT, so you try to connect the dots; BJJ+MT=MAA=UFC, which is 100% incorrect. Each are disctintly different, but you do not have enough knowledge to know this, you have never even stepped foot inside any of these gyms, and you play into the stereotype that, everyone who does these sports love to fight and are promoted to fight with people outside competition.
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It's sadism and anger management issues run amok: "Why go in for a 'combative art' that doesn't allow for choking, kicking, dislocating joints, and fun stuff like that? I wanna F somebody up!"
Yet you are fine with boxing and wrestling?
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The Tsarnaev brothers, better known as the Boston Marathon bombers, were all about MMA. They were fixtures at a Boston gym specializing in the stuff. What shining examples.
Regulate that crap to the hilt. An outright ban (though ideal) would be as useless as any prohibition has ever been - "it just gets driven underground."
No, they were not all about MMA, shows you really have a lack of knowledge. Only Tamerlan was into sports, and guess what, HE WAS A BOXER. That is right, he trained in boxing and was even Golden Gloves, and wanted to become a professional boxer. So I guess according to your logic, boxing=terrorism, better regulate "that crap to the hilt" it or better yet, ban it if possible.
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No of course it should be banned everwhere I just did not think it had any chance of being banned in third world countries. That is why I only focused on the rest of the world instead. Especially US and Europe . I would like for it to be banned in every country if it could be. Again I know all contact sports can be dangerous but boxing is the only sport that is specifically about hitting each other. What is the object of this sport? How do you win this sport? The one who can inflict the most pain the most damage on another person? The one who can knock the other person unconscious wins? Is boxing a sport or glamorized violence?
What Boxus said.
I went to a fight Saturday. My g-son is into boxing, he is 12 and just had his second fight. Most of the fights Saturday were for the championship and boxers appeared to be in the late teens-early 20 age range, but I've watched boxers as young as 9 and I've got to say everything is done to prevent injury. As Boxus said it is regulated, coaches and refs are diligent in preventing mismatched fights and seeing it is not about inflicting pain and damage or violence but scoring points and having fun, at least on the amateur level.
I got to say that I have witnessed more intentional pain and damage, injury and lack of apathy when my kids were playing football.
I think we should ban the opinions of people who are always trying to ban something that doesn't affect their own personal lives.
I know you don't mean that because if you ban everyone who gave their opinion against things they had no personal involvement in this message board would shut down.
I used to watch boxing fights on tv, then I saw a show discussing a boxer who was hit and later died. That was the day I lost interest in boxing. The day I realized boxing could kill. And look at Muhammad Ali. He has brain damage. He is a nice man from all accounts. I remember the Olympics one year on tv, he was there and made an appearance in the athlete's tent . They all wanted a chance to talk to him and get an autograph and he stayed for hours and refused to leave until he had seen and talked personally to everyone who was waiting.
I did have a friend who tried to get into boxing years ago so it does affect me a little bit and since fights are recorded and shown on tv and internet and I can view them, that makes it involve me as a viewer. I have the right to discuss what things I want to view and what I do not. The other way it affects me is because I have suffered a concussion myself and know how dangerous a blow to the head can be.
What Boxus said.
I went to a fight Saturday. My g-son is into boxing, he is 12 and just had his second fight. Most of the fights Saturday were for the championship and boxers appeared to be in the late teens-early 20 age range, but I've watched boxers as young as 9 and I've got to say everything is done to prevent injury. As Boxus said it is regulated, coaches and refs are diligent in preventing mismatched fights and seeing it is not about inflicting pain and damage or violence but scoring points and having fun, at least on the amateur level.
I got to say that I have witnessed more intentional pain and damage, injury and lack of apathy when my kids were playing football.
Thank you for sharing about your grandchild. The issue of school football is another topic I feel strongly about. I believe the schools need to invest in better safety equipment for the boys especially stronger helmets to protect them from repeated blows to the head. I also think they should not be allowed to play with a concussion.
Boxing was one of the main ways I bonded with my dad. Was it violent? Yes. Is real life often violent? yes. Should a boy growing up know how to defend himself without having to resort to a gun and shooting up the place in revenge for being bullied? Yes.
I'm no conservative, but I hate what political correctness and the sissyfication of education has done to our boys. 50 years ago we never did have school shootings.
Boxing was one of the main ways I bonded with my dad. Was it violent? Yes. Is real life often violent? yes. Should a boy growing up know how to defend himself without having to resort to a gun and shooting up the place in revenge for being bullied? Yes.
I'm no conservative, but I hate what political correctness and the sissyfication of education has done to our boys. 50 years ago we never did have school shootings.
My dad use to just take me fishing. Just saying.
According to my g-son if one is a boxer, boxing, taking lessons, etc. and gets into a fistfight at school the ramifications of their actions are more severe because of it. My father when he was in grade school hid in wait for another boy (Im not sure which one was the bully) and threw a brick at him knocking him out. Of course the principle beat the tar out of my dad and so did gramps when my dad got home. I don't think alternative forms of defense are really the answer.
And for the record, its not just boys. There a few girls in my g-sons boxing club, one in particular he has spared with a-lot. What I have gathered watching this over the months is that boxing is a sport that promotes self discipline, respect and sportsmanship. When the kids/adults fight is not about self defense or violence. It is developing form, strength and strategy. Personally, I don't understand the enjoyment of hitting others or especially getting hit, but to each their own.
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