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Old 06-29-2015, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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If you watch the interview and I haven't watched the documentary fully from netflix but they interview these girls they don't seem to be having fun. I have found that there has been some convictions using the obscenity laws as the reason one good example was Paul F. Little; Max hardcore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore sentenced to 46 months in federal prison.

 
Old 06-29-2015, 08:09 AM
 
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So watching a girl gag while tears roll down her face is something woman should aspire to in their relationships? This is one of the things they talk about in that interview. I know what kind of videos they are talking about those videos and others which are even worse then those should be banned. Were not talking about normal porn videos here.
The US Supreme court has ruled that indescent pornography is constitutionally protected (as it should be in my opinion - the federal government doesn't have the right to determine what a person should or should not watch).
Obscentity however is not constutionally protected. Then comes to the problem of defining what is obsene! Again the supreme court has ruled that is up to "local community standards" - which makes sense because what goes in San Fransisco may not be the same in Ohio. The keep the determination local.
Such illegal acts like child porn, bestiality, snuff films,etc. of course are not constitutionally protected in any instance.

So the takeaway here - don't tell us here in another state or city what you think is obscene, but tell your local lawmakers. But be careful when mentioning "banning" - do you really want the government to tell you what movies you can watch or not? Do you really want the government telling you what is healthy to watch?
 
Old 06-29-2015, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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In the Paul Little case he was sent to federal prison for 46 months on charged by the federal government. Seems to me his convection has held up.
 
Old 06-29-2015, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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If you watch the interview and I haven't watched the documentary fully from netflix but they interview these girls they don't seem to be having fun. I have found that there has been some convictions using the obscenity laws as the reason one good example was Paul F. Little; Max hardcore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore sentenced to 46 months in federal prison.
Well, the interview is not really the point of this debate; it's whether or not porn should be more regulated.

As it is at the time of this post, I've probably only glanced at the first 1.5 minutes. I don't know the interviewee from Eve. Two things, though, from that first 1.5 minutes.

First of all, 18 is the legal adult age in this country. IMHO, all things of responsibility and privs ought to be permitted at 18 and not just some as we love to age discriminate. Ie, statutory rape occurs with someone below 18 but we have prosecutors who strive to try those below 18 as adults. Let us not add to this age discrimination, especially if we do it under the guise of protecting the "young" when we won't protect them when it is not to our convenience.

Secondly, the photographer who stated he only shot amateurs between 18-21? That is the photographic concept of "innocence", a sought for quality. In nude photography, it occurs when the model is still not use to appearing nude in front of the camera. Further, for the benefit of those not familiar with camera work, the camera captures thought. One might watch an episode of "Space: 1999" to see this.

About "innocence": right or wrong, it is something that so many of us want to see in the photography, whether it is to remember how we once were.....or to have "the power" to steal it from another. Personally, I believe it is better to see it in a film than to go out and directly engage, steal it from another. To put it another way, better for the stealer to get his jollies from watching a flick than to engage in it against another person. IMHO.
 
Old 06-29-2015, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Regulate Porn? Please Do NOT give the Gov. any ideas. They will get in a screw it up. excuse the pun...

I don't look at porn but have been surfing the net and found myself clicking on interesting links only to be shocked. I was looking up youtube one evening and saw lubetube listed and it is a porn site that has so many categories that appeal to every fetish imaginable. It is crazy what is out there and what is being done to these young women. Yes they get paid for their performance but I don't see how they enjoy it.

I think it is a pretty sad business that promises to make the young women rich but instead it chews them up and spits them out often with a STD, no money, a drug problem and shame.
I have that Netflix show on my que but haven't watched it yet.

Porn is too popular and is not going away anytime soon unless people stop watching it. Regulate it NO but I would like ot see it go back underground and not be so mainstream as it is today.
 
Old 06-29-2015, 08:57 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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So watching a girl gag while tears roll down her face is something woman should aspire to in their relationships? This is one of the things they talk about in that interview. I know what kind of videos they are talking about those videos and others which are even worse then those should be banned. Were not talking about normal porn videos here.

Yes, if that is what gets them off. And yes, both men and women get off on this in real life.
 
Old 06-29-2015, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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If you watch the interview and I haven't watched the documentary fully from netflix but they interview these girls they don't seem to be having fun. I have found that there has been some convictions using the obscenity laws as the reason one good example was Paul F. Little; Max hardcore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore sentenced to 46 months in federal prison.
Max Associates got busted fairly similar to Rob Black's Extreme Associates, mailing pornography through the US mail (a no-no.) Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ssociates,_Inc.

I think that pornography should be more regulated for the stars. We may not like condoms during scenes but it does mostly stop the spread of STDs in particular HIV which pops up every few years.
 
Old 06-29-2015, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Hard not to notice that no one in this thread admits to watching porn themselves, but somehow they know that its pretty awful and getting really bad, and worse, the women aren't having any fun, etc. Oh, but it shouldn't be regulated. Why not? With the resources about to be freed up from de-criminaiizing weed, the government should turn their attention to getting rid of porn completely. Most street prostitution has been ended in my lifetime. Good riddance. Porn should be even easier to put out of business for good. At least domestically. We can't control what other countries allow, but at least American women would not be subject to exploitation.
 
Old 06-29-2015, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Hard not to notice that no one in this thread admits to watching porn themselves, but somehow they know that its pretty awful and getting really bad, and worse, the women aren't having any fun, etc. Oh, but it shouldn't be regulated. Why not? With the resources about to be freed up from de-criminaiizing weed, the government should turn their attention to getting rid of porn completely. Most street prostitution has been ended in my lifetime. Good riddance. Porn should be even easier to put out of business for good. At least domestically. We can't control what other countries allow, but at least American women would not be subject to exploitation.
OH, I THINK SOME OF US HAVE........but this is a risky subject so we are aware of infractions and are watching our words carefully.

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Yes, if that is what gets them off. And yes, both men and women get off on this in real life.
Hmmmm, there is some thing to that and it's not necessarily just the subject in question but perhaps many avenues of the film, if not other parts, industry.

Consider the narration for the introduction of "Behind the Green Door" (if you haven't heard it, I believe it's in the first "The Cannonball Run" movie). There are those who might find such a fantasy fascinating to think, to dream about.

There are at least two great things about fantasy. First of all, it tends to be perfect. Anything of the reality, such as perhaps one of the men having unpleasant body odor, can be removed from the concept. Secondly, one can take the part they like best and "run it on a loop".

This is one of the "great" things of the modern Net world that we can be provided with so many examples of a theme to provide us with entertainment, with a "device" to attach our fantasies to so to experience it in a way.

But is it right that people are potentially being hurt to provide us with such entertainment? Why not? Do we not watch pro boxing or pro football? They are paid to provide us with such entertainment. If they were not paid, that would be something else.......but they are paid and it is their decision to go into such an industry.
 
Old 06-29-2015, 09:18 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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But is it right that people are potentially being hurt to provide us with such entertainment? Why not? Do we not watch pro boxing or pro football? They are paid to provide us with such entertainment. If they were not paid, that would be something else.......but they are paid and it is their decision to go into such an industry.
Exactly. Now, the people forced into this stuff by pimps or whatever, well that is a different story. That is illegal, and should be pursued. But that is a different issue.

But an adult deciding to participate in this for money, or for fun, or both. That's on them.

If they hate it but decide to do it for the money (as many people do with work), that is their choice.
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