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I used to be poor ReachTheBeach but instead of hating on the rich I learned all I could about money and now my life is very nice. Socialism, why would I care to try it when in this country I was able to move from poor to upper middle class, some may say rich.
There is one thing that will stop you, actually would have stopped me. I had many neigh sayers around me. Had I listened to them I'd still be poor. Stop listening to sour, angry, hopeless people who will stop you.
If you had a wallet filled with IOUs worth 120 hours of labor, what would you do with it?
.. Have the laborers do whatever you need doing!
.. When has there ever been a time when laborers would NOT be needed?
There have been times when more labor is not needed. That is what I keep trying to get through to you and others; even the current level of automation and general efficiency in our processes means that we don't need everyone working full time. There isn't enough to go around. If we progress further with technology, there will be an even bigger gap. So no thank you, I don't want coupons for labor.
I am not poor; I am not a 1%er but ~ top 3%. Not sour and angry as much as disappointed in the greedy attitudes of others who justify having most of the wealth in the hands of a few. Again, I am a proponent of social democracy, which embraces free enterprise and rewards extra effort and clever innovations with a higher standard of living while guaranteeing a good standard of living for all. I am not a proponent of communism or of any non democratic governments. The US is becoming an oligarchy disguised as a democratic republic and that really concerns me.
You wish. That puts you in with other multi-billionaires. You waste your time doodling around on this forum rather than overseeing your corporation which lets you rub shoulders with other Bilderbergers? If you were of the 3% you would be dangling leaders of countries around like a puppeteer - you don't and never will.
Utopia without socialism?!?!
Vat kind of qvestion is this?!
Now get back to your work station immediately! or I will be forced to report you to the commandant!
I think you have been baking in the sun too long on that beach!
there have been SEVERAL utopias tried in this country! Some STILL exist in some forms!
{research 'coal mine company store' and see what you find, also try 'coal mine 20th century history' and the like. The coal companies paid Appalachian coal miners in script and made them buy at the company store, where one could NEVER get"ahead' of what was owed for basic needs,. The coal companies made lots of money, the miners didn't. Not exactly a 'utopia", but it was GREAT for the companies!}
As someone said, if you like the Scandinavian models, MOVE there....{PS I am a 3rd generation Scandinavian transplant to the USA}
But:
1}the Federal poverty level for 2015 for a family of 4 is: $24,250/year. You want to reduce EVERYONE TO POVERTY levels? Already"?
2} Many are already on "socialistic type programs" such as welfare {already mentioned}, social security, and SSI, SSDI for those who cannot work.
3} those who have jobs on top the federal "disbursement of funds" {DF}, would quickly become the 1% of such a society, and if they were offered to earn money OR to collect the 'DF', why would they choose to work? Many ALREADY complain they "do more work than others".
4}what happens when the machinery breaks down to a point of beyond repair, OR needs NEW machines? That requires MORE money, just like it does now.
5} DF will have to grow with the cost of living? SS already is "behind the COL" already even when they give out increases.
6} you say you are top 3% how nice for you! Have you ever lived near poverty for an extended period of time?
7}there would be perhaps little or no incentive to create new...say.. leisure time activities such as the Disney parks..or new housing complexes , or new cities...
8} there are still the 'lazy people' who WON't do much more than the minimum {if that} at cleaning the toilets on rotation, even IF most were 'required' to rotate working for their share of the DF.
I am not saying capitalism is all the end all to be all either, as the wealthy only get wealthier and people like my household, who have 3 income streams {and I am looking at additional part time job for fourth income stream} still cannot get ahead in THIS economy.
There have been several models of societal operations over the mega years the human population has tried to get along and form. NONE have been a panacea for the people!
SO what to do? I don't have the answer or I'd be running for president!
3] could only come about if all wealth was confiscated from all but those who could front their own successful armies. The USA has to print money to have it and it is backed by borrowed funds. As I have mentioned previously, this is not a one country scenario, it would need to be global. As all resources will be required to pull off such a feat.
Did anyone consider death to be a very real thing when usurping the globe.
It's not possible for us to achieve a society even remotely resembling a utopia of any kind. Humans are just glorified primates with delusions of grandeur. The history of the human race is the same way our future is going to be, in superficially varied specific forms. This is about the best were even capable of.
If you're money mad, or an idiot, socialism (compulsory labor for the benefit of another) sounds great. Recipients always outvote donors.
However, redistribution of wealth is not the cure for poverty. If it did, then let us give everyone 22 billion billion quatloos and thus make everybody equally rich with more than they could ever spend. However, if no one exerts themselves to labor, produce, transport or trade, civilization collapses. Because if the marketplace is bare, money is worthless.
Knowing that prosperity is based on the production, trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services, what prevents “the poor” from producing and trading that which they produce?
Look around - unmet need, unemployed (or underemployed) workers, and unused productive facilities.
What stops people from being productive?
Lack of money tokens?
Who has the power to create money?
Congress only has power to coin money (stamp bullion) or borrow money. If it could create money, why would it need to borrow it? And if Congress can't make money, it can't give that power to anyone else.
Once you figure out who really has the power to create the medium of exchange to facilitate trade of usable goods and services, you [The following has been censored by the MINISTRY OF TRUTH. "MiniTru" thanks you for your cooperation in not reading further. Move along, nothing to see here....]
It's not possible for us to achieve a society even remotely resembling a utopia of any kind. Humans are just glorified primates with delusions of grandeur. The history of the human race is the same way our future is going to be, in superficially varied specific forms. This is about the best were even capable of.
There is simply no way to have utopia without some degree of socialism.
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You wish. That puts you in with other multi-billionaires. You waste your time doodling around on this forum rather than overseeing your corporation which lets you rub shoulders with other Bilderbergers? If you were of the 3% you would be dangling leaders of countries around like a puppeteer - you don't and never will.
