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Old 11-17-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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Why don't we try replacing abortion with personal responsibility and maybe the respect for life would minimize some of the other indifference to ending the lives of others?
You have a very weird definition of personal responsibility.

I believe very strongly in personal responsibility. Personal responsibility means a woman realizing that she made a mistake (or suffered a tragedy) but that she is not ready or able to be a parent, and therefore paying the consequences and taking responsibility by having an abortion.

Personal responsibility does NOT mean having the baby anyway because of someone ELSE's religion, and then either letting someone ELSE raise it or getting on all kinds of government services to let someone ELSE pay for it. That's abdicating responsibility to someone ELSE.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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A fetus has no rights.

But don't touch a cat or dog. Could go to prison.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Most of the women who have had abortions have no regret about it.

There are currently over 300,000 children in the foster care system and many of those need a permanent, loving forever home. Over 20,000 kid age out of the foster system every year and many of them end up homeless and on the street, using prostitution and selling drugs to support themselves.

Before you talk about how many people want to adopt babies in the US, ask those same people if they're willing to take in an older, a disabled, or a dark-skinned child. Because those are the ones who don't get adopted. All the newborn white babies can find a home. That's why these other children are left over. People don't support abortion, but they're not willing to give these children a home.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You have a very weird definition of personal responsibility.

I believe very strongly in personal responsibility. Personal responsibility means a woman realizing that she made a mistake (or suffered a tragedy) but that she is not ready or able to be a parent, and therefore paying the consequences and taking responsibility by having an abortion.

Personal responsibility does NOT mean having the baby anyway because of someone ELSE's religion, and then either letting someone ELSE raise it or getting on all kinds of government services to let someone ELSE pay for it. That's abdicating responsibility to someone ELSE.
Most often an abortion IS the responsible decision.

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A fetus has no rights.

But don't touch a cat or dog. Could go to prison.
So are you advocating animal abuse? Tests on animals brains show they have a wide range of feelings and not only feel physical pain, but sadness, happiness, jealousy, love.... Dogs in particular have the same emotional maturity and understanding as an 8 year old child, so how you treat a dog would have the same affect as how you treat an 8 year old. They can also understand and pick up on emotional cues from other animals including people.

Tests and studies on fetuses show they feel nothing and have no thought processes whatsoever because their brains are not developed (seems pretty obvious). It's not even possible. An animal is also an independent, fully developed body that lives, breathes and maintains a heartbeat and brain function completely on its own. A fetus must have a host to continue developing. Massive difference.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: The edge of the world and all of Western civilization
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No, it should not be illegal. However, I do feel that if people want to start adding these burdens on would-be mothers and really feel so strongly about what others should do with their lives, then I think those people against abortions should fork over the $37,000+ a pregnancy costs (assuming that mother doesn't have insurance), plus maternity clothes, increased food intake, missed work, etc., and then be forced to take the unwanted baby so that they can raise it.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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You know, they can transplant wombs now from one woman to the other. I wonder what an anti-abortionist woman would think if someone were to tell her to have a womb with a fetus in it transplanted into her body to save it from an abortion. I wonder what her excuse would be to not be pregnant for 9 months and not have to go through childbirth.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Proof positive that the insane restrictions on abortions does NOT STOP them!

Texas Women Are Inducing Their Own Abortions - The Atlantic


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You know, they can transplant wombs now from one woman to the other. I wonder what an anti-abortionist woman would think if someone were to tell her to have a womb with a fetus in it transplanted into her body to save it from an abortion. I wonder what her excuse would be to not be pregnant for 9 months and not have to go through childbirth.
Yeah lol. I'd love to have that conversation!
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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In the last couple of years there have been state laws passed which have put more burden on doctors who preform abortion, and in some states the requirements are so high that clinics have closed down. Some states make the woman see an ultrasound of the fetus. Do you support Abortion being legal or not and why.
People appear to have forgotten (some never knew) why abortion was made legal in the first place. Maybe it should be illegal again. It probably wouldn't take 100 years again to make it legal, once and for all. Probably less than 5 years before the NEED for such interventions is uncontested. THEN, when abortion is legalized for a second time... when abortion is legalized, once and for all, there will be less opposition to it.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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A fetus has no rights.

But don't touch a cat or dog. Could go to prison.
Neither do cat fetuses or dog fetuses. It's adult cats and adult dogs that are protected. It's consistent.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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I would not want to see abortion made ILLEGAL. I do believe that the ONLY time an abortion should be performed is IF the life of the Mother is in imminent danger but making it ILLEGAL is not the answer. I do not believe in MANDATORY motorcycle HELMET LAWS even though I usually wear one when I ride. Some things just should not be made into LAWS. I don't know who said it first but "you cannot legislate morality.".
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