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Old 05-14-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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If we can afford to have the most powerful military in the world, then we can afford to give Americans healthcare without them going bankrupt.
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I agree. I have often said that there ought to be a few things that -- as Americans -- we benefit from in pretty much the richest and most blessed nation in the world. And in my view, having good healthcare for all should be one of those benefits.
Just want to clarify my opinion here. I agree with both responses above. It's time for universal health care in the US.
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Old 05-14-2016, 06:13 PM
 
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It makes sense just in terms of efficiency of health care itself.

I get annoyed NEVER knowing how much any particular health care I or my family will need is going to cost. I would be okay with paying for it out of pocket if I knew how much it would cost.... but I never have any clue. Not even doctors know! When I ask them about specific costs, they give me a baffled look!

They can usually answer if a particular course of action will be less or more expensive but they never have even a ballpark $ figure.
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Old 05-15-2016, 06:11 AM
 
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It makes sense just in terms of efficiency of health care itself.

I get annoyed NEVER knowing how much any particular health care I or my family will need is going to cost. I would be okay with paying for it out of pocket if I knew how much it would cost.... but I never have any clue. Not even doctors know! When I ask them about specific costs, they give me a baffled look!

They can usually answer if a particular course of action will be less or more expensive but they never have even a ballpark $ figure.
Agree it's annoying!

& only the insurance company knows for sure! After all, they wrote the legislation:

"...In the 1993, the Clinton administration proposed a health care reform bill similar to the ACA in that it required bosses to provide some sort of minimum coverage to their workforce, but it also proposed to increase funding to cover people who were too poor to afford insurance. But this was shot down by the pressure of the big health care companies because they claimed it regulated too much their ability to charge outrageous prices. Out of this debate, a proposal emerged from the right wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation: rather than increasing public funds for health insurance, individuals should be required by law to buy insurance. The insurance would be subject to minor regulations, but the health care companies profits would be further guaranteed.

In 2008, the Obama administration wrote the ACA in collaboration with all the major players in the health care industry, the drug and insurance companies, the major hospital chains, and lobbyists representing the largest employers in the country.

Essentially the bill is the same as the Heritage Foundation plan from the 1990s.

...Essentially, the ACA was designed to write the for-profit health care system into law, increase corporate profits, and to discourage people from demanding a health care system that would actually provide real health care coverage for all. The ACA wasn’t written to fix a broken system – it was written to ensure that the broken system would be kept in place. After all, from the standpoint of the health care industry, the system is working just fine for their profits."

Obamacare or Corporate-care: The Writing of the Affordable Care Act | Speak Out Now
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Old 05-15-2016, 06:13 AM
 
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Most likely the worst thing about it all is the fact that people are discouraged from demanding a health care system that would actually provide real health care coverage for all.

Cui bono?
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