Why was the white race(anglo saxon) so successful? (Baghdad, Birmingham, compared)
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Well , at-least you're not a " Nordicist" . They claim that only the nordic race is the pure " white " race and classify the Italians and Greeks as Mediterranean peoples ( which they are ). I see no difference between some Italians / Greeks and western asian groups - Turks , lebanese , some Northern Indians etc etc . They all kinda look the same . But then again , Italy has been conquered , settled , resettled so many times that to try and figure out what an Italian looks like is a futile exercise. Northern and southern Italians are visibly different.
And no , you cannot classify Greece and Rome as white anything. These were multiethnic empires where the concept of race did not exist. Anybody could be a Roman. And the Romans despised Germanics until they infiltrated the western roman empire and led to it's downfall eventually leading to the dark ages.
Every group of people have been the top dogs from time to time. The Northern europeans are the last to the civilization game and are currently at the top. They only started having great leaders like Charles Martel and Charlemagne about 1500 years ago and before that were uncivilized wandering tribes with no evidence of any intellectual development. Starting around 1500 A.D though , an intellectual blossoming started with them which has not stopped yet. They also became very interested in the idea of "race" around the mid 19th century. " Thinkers " like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Grant shaped these ideas in Western Europe and the U.S.
We'll see what the future brings but it looks like China's going to be the top dog again ( Maybe it already is ).
We can go on forever arguing about this .... so I propose let's stop and agree to disagree.
I think Troyfan brings up an interesting point worth discussing...why do statues of that time period look Anglo Saxon/Caucasian?
I think Troyfan brings up an interesting point worth discussing...why do statues of that time period look Anglo Saxon/Caucasian?
Well some Indians from India certainly looked Caucasian and others Arab's from the Middle East certainly looked Anglo-Saxon or White Caucasian , that look could very easy be found in Black Indian communities in (India).
Becasue concepts that revolve around freedom, individuality, human rights and questioning took hold in our societies very early. From those building blocks new building blocks were created. Some of the factors include, but are not limited to:
-Democracy from ancient Athens
-Philosophy from Athens
-The Symposium
- The Socratic method
-Representative Republicanism from Rome.
-A constituion from Rome, with mixed government (Monarchy, Aristocracy and Democracy all imbeded)
-Judeo-Chrsitian values which entered western thought through Rome
-The Reformation
-The Enlightenment
-The Magna Carta
The writings of Hobbes, Locke, Rousseu and Machiavelli's discorses.
-The English Constitution
-The American Constitution
etc. The point is that the good seeds that were planted early led to an environment of success.
Becasue concepts that revolve around freedom, individuality, human rights and questioning took hold in our societies very early. From those building blocks new building blocks were created. Some of the factors include, but are not limited to:
-Democracy from ancient Athens
-Philosophy from Athens
-The Symposium
- The Socratic method
-Representative Republicanism from Rome.
-A constituion from Rome, with mixed government (Monarchy, Aristocracy and Democracy all imbeded)
-Judeo-Chrsitian values which entered western thought through Rome
-The Reformation
-The Enlightenment
-The Magna Carta
The writings of Hobbes, Locke, Rousseu and Machiavelli's discorses.
-The English Constitution
-The American Constitution
etc. The point is that the good seeds that were planted early led to an environment of success.
Judeo-Christian values came from the middle east not from Rome , as a matter of fact Roman leaders Assassinated the Apostle Paul and watered down a lot of the early Church Doctrine & Dogma.
European didn't follow the teaching of the Apostle Paul where he said that Christian that owned Slaves should love them as if they were the Apostle Paul himself in the flesh.
Oh and by the way didn't a Roman leader Assassinate JESUS Christ in the Holy City of
Jerusalem Israel (???)
And what up with these pictures of Jesus being a white caucasisn man with Blonde Hair (???)
Judeo-Christian values came from the middle east not from Rome , as a matter of fact Roman leaders Assassinated the Apostle Paul and watered down a lot of the early Church Doctrine & Dogma.
They were spread to our civlizations from Rome.
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Originally Posted by Howest2008
European didn't follow the teaching of the Apostle Paul where he said that Christian that owned Slaves should love them as if they were the Apostle Paul himself in the flesh.
Oh and by the way didn't a Roman leader Assassinate JESUS Christ in the Holy City of
Jerusalem Israel (???)
And what up with these pictures of Jesus being a white caucasisn man with Blonde Hair (???)
This is all gibberish. You are talking to yourself. Have fun.
1. 'White Race' = Anglo Saxon. No. You are referring to a culture that happened to consist of White people mainly.
2. 'Successful' = undefined. If you are referring to material wealth, then we know this isn't the only barometer of success. Also, 'success' is time bound within this context. And success for a subset of people at the cost of others is still success? Within that context, the Nazi's were more successful than the Jews.
3. 'Why' = suggests the original question has merit. Its sort of like asking, 'why is whale skin made of soap?'
This is a touchy topic. I am not white so don't blame me for not knowing about exactly which demography among whites achieved what it did in arts/science/infrastructure etc. For me its just the white civilization that created cities like Sydney and Toronto and NYC.
I created a similar topic a few years ago. There was a debate panel at my Uni and this question arose. The white guy sitting there(a very non PC pandering dude) stated simply this: Most whites have a individualist mindset. A desire to explore the unknown, a desire of creativity, a desire of self expression. Most other immigrants are simply collectivist in their approach. A Pakistani will favor Pakistani culture, an African American will usually side with his own ilk(OJ Simpson had support of 97% African Americans even though deep down they knew he was wrong). This is what made this civilization what it was especially the early 20th century generation who built these cities, lay a foundation, questioned irrationality.
He also said that this is why the world is dumbing down. Today's youngsters are self centered and clueless. Everyone is PC correct(except when it comes to issues relating to whites) and the minority model of tribalism will eventually destroy civilization. The forefathers who lived in the 20s-60s created a just society which is being slowly but surely eradicated.
What is your take on this debate. Be honest.
Anglo-Saxon is not race, rather a collective name given to the Germanic people who invaded Britain in the 5th century. Ethnic Europeans belong to Europid(White) branch of the Caucasoid race. There is a Europid phenotype which some people have named Anglo-Saxon. Various civilizations arose at different times, in different places with different peoples, not only White people. See.
1. 'White Race' = Anglo Saxon. No. You are referring to a culture that happened to consist of White people mainly.
2. 'Successful' = undefined. If you are referring to material wealth, then we know this isn't the only barometer of success. Also, 'success' is time bound within this context. And success for a subset of people at the cost of others is still success? Within that context, the Nazi's were more successful than the Jews.
3. 'Why' = suggests the original question has merit. Its sort of like asking, 'why is whale skin made of soap?'
No! Anglo-Saxons are Whites, but not all Whites are Anglo-Saxons! Slavs, Balts, Latins, Basques, etc... are White too! Nazis were defeated, and Einstein was smarter than all the Nazis put together!
Well some Indians from India certainly looked Caucasian and others Arab's from the Middle East certainly looked Anglo-Saxon or White Caucasian , that look could very easy be found in Black Indian communities in (India).
Looking Caucasoid doesn't make one White. Arabs aren't Whites, but are Caucasoids and they definitely don't look Anglo-Saxon. Indians? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! They aren't White!
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