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If Bernie would expand his program to include technical schools teaching useful trades like welding, equipment operation, pipe fitting, etc., then I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any "public" technical schools. I may be wrong, but I believe all are private....
I haven't read through this thread, but there are hundreds of community colleges that offer degrees in trades. The one just down the road from me (less than a mile) offers diesel technology, welding and a few other trades. The technology school section of it is hard to beat -- wonderful facilities, experienced teachers, nearly 100% job placement, mostly to jobs paying $75K/year or higher. The various community colleges throughout Wyoming (all under one state umbrella) teach differing trades, in addition to the standard educational fare.
I *think* they insist that students also take the standard courses required for a 2-year degree to graduate. I have a grandson who wanted to study welding, but he opted to attend a private tech school because he didn't want to take English, algebra, government, biology, etc.
If elected President, one of the things Senator Sanders would like to do is have government paid tuition for all public universities and colleges. I do not want to debate the idea or the costs...
The question I have is what would become of the private universities and colleges- Ivy League schools like Yale, Harvard... Religious private universities and colleges that are around the country... medical universities.... and others.
It would seem to me that their enrollments would drop appreciably. With a large drop in revenue, could they not only stay afloat but continue to provide the level of education they currently enjoy?
Is it possible it would destroy the private education industry in this country?
Would this be a good thing when trying to train people to be the best and the brightest?
Many European and other countries already operate sort of along those lines. However you'll also find heavy tracking of students so only the "best" and "brightest" (as deemed by academic record and perhaps testing) are admitted to four year colleges and onto post graduate such as medicine, law, etc..
Once there such students pay nil to little tuition.
If by financial aid you mean "loans," then yes, I would believe you can get more loans via Princeton.
I would hope that you are smart enough not to be counting loans as something that will make "tuition cheaper" at private schools.
I made that mistake when initially opening my "financial aid packages" from private schools and quickly seeing "cost of attendance" being less than the cost of yearly tuition.
A serious killjoy when read it more closely.
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You really think the educational needs of 2016 are comparable to the educational needs of prior centuries?
Look up average lifetime earnings of college graduates compared to lifetime earnings of non-college grads. The fact that you know some anecdotes doesn't disprove the data.
Most of your statements here are just little maxims that don't actually further a coherent argument: "Want free college....join the military or get a scholarship," "Life isn't easy, you need to work hard for what you want and cant and should not rely on anyone but yourself to make things happen." Those statements don't say anything about why free public college is a bad idea. We currently have free public high school, and that has worked out tremendously well.
You mention that your kids (who are ten) already have a college fund, and that is an indication of responsibility. Responsibility on the part of whom? Surely not your kids. It's reflective of you, the parent. What are kids who don't have responsible parents supposed to do? The days of being able to put one's self through college waiting tables are gone. College is too expensive.
My outlook is "suck it up buttercup". I did not have any money set aside for college when I was younger. I was working two part time jobs to make ends meet. I knew I that I wanted to go to college to better myself but couldn't afford to do so. I then joined the military and now have a bachelors degree free and clear with additional money leftover that I was able to transfer over to my children. My wife got scholarships for school, but as I said, we are still paying the remainder of her student loans and she graduated in 2001. No biggie, its just like buying a new car and financing it....do I really need that new car, no, but I got one so now I need to pay for it. There are options out there that don't require a degree while still making great money.
What happened to trade schools? Many of these trades earn far more than what many other careers that require a degree earn. Ever see what an electrician charges per hour? or a mechanic? or a plumber? There are other ways to excel in life besides getting a degree. The problem is you need motivation to drive yourself to do so. No one should hold your hand.
Under my system, all taxes are voluntary. Therefore, if you did not want to pay for defense, you wouldn't have to. You would be freeloading off the other citizens, but you would be free to that if you decided you did not want to pay. Once a tax is voluntary, and compulsion and coercion are removed, all citizens may rationally judge for themselves what taxes they should pay, and what they taxes they will pay. Individuals in a free society are good enough to make that decision.
And what would they decide? And what would I decide? I would decide to pay to keep my country safe from foreign invaders. How much? Maybe 20%, it depends on how strong I decide we need to be. The military budget would be a summation of that judgment made by all the citizens acting in their own individual rational self-interest. I am sure that it would be huge, especially in view of the madness that has spread through the base and primitive theocracies of the Middle East.
Don't be afraid W'sG! Don't be a social engineer, it's a debauched and disgusting avocation. And a much worse vocation.
All taxes are voluntary how do you think that would play out?
I've read enough of your posts to see your isms are completely unworkable, not even good science fiction.
And again, you are a real estate agent! Your business depends on sound infrastructure, schools, belief in the area enough to invest, all requiring money to maintain. And you think nothing is free but want the crux of your business to be free.
I'd recommend sanitizing your CD user name, if potential clients google you and find your nonsensical, radical views here, they'll find a sane agent.
If by financial aid you mean "loans," then yes, I would believe you can get more loans via Princeton.
I would hope that you are smart enough not to be counting loans as something that will make "tuition cheaper" at private schools.
I made that mistake when initially opening my "financial aid packages" from private schools and quickly seeing "cost of attendance" being less than the cost of yearly tuition.
A serious killjoy when read it more closely.
.
Maybe that is your experience, but Princeton has an enrollment of about 8,500 students and an endowment of $22 billion. Rutgers has an enrollment of 66,000 and an endowment of $1 billion. Princeton is going to offer more scholarships and private grant money than Rutgers can.
I have a good student deciding between a public university and a private college. Private college found out she could not afford the initial offer they made, so the gave her a full scholarship to attend. Much cheaper than public.
If by financial aid you mean "loans," then yes, I would believe you can get more loans via Princeton.
I would hope that you are smart enough not to be counting loans as something that will make "tuition cheaper" at private schools.
I made that mistake when initially opening my "financial aid packages" from private schools and quickly seeing "cost of attendance" being less than the cost of yearly tuition.
A serious killjoy when read it more closely.
.
A number of ivy schools has RADICALLY increased non-loan aid to lower income families in more recent years. Harvard lead the charge and a lot of it is frankly aimed at subverting the Ivy rules against giving sports scholarships. (Please note Harvard has been in the NCAA tournament now something like 4 years in a row after a 60 year or so hiatus. It's not accidental.)
I haven't looked at Princeton specifically but I looked at Harvard etc. just in the last year and if your family income is under 60-65k (I forget the exact number) it's FREE. Not just Free tuition. FREE.
From there it scales up to around 150k where it would cost around 20k in total....but above that you could be looking at the full price tag.
All taxes are voluntary how do you think that would play out?
I've read enough of your posts to see your isms are completely unworkable, not even good science fiction.
And again, you are a real estate agent! Your business depends on sound infrastructure, schools, belief in the area enough to invest, all requiring money to maintain. And you think nothing is free but want the crux of your business to be free.
I'd recommend sanitizing your CD user name, if potential clients google you and find your nonsensical, radical views here, they'll find a sane agent.
Actually my "crazy" posts generate business. You'd be surprised how many of us crazies are roaming about. And unsupervised no less!
If elected President, one of the things Senator Sanders would like to do is have government paid tuition for all public universities and colleges. I do not want to debate the idea or the costs...
The question I have is what would become of the private universities and colleges- Ivy League schools like Yale, Harvard... Religious private universities and colleges that are around the country... medical universities.... and others.
It would seem to me that their enrollments would drop appreciably. With a large drop in revenue, could they not only stay afloat but continue to provide the level of education they currently enjoy?
Is it possible it would destroy the private education industry in this country?
Would this be a good thing when trying to train people to be the best and the brightest?
Actually my "crazy" posts generate business. You'd be surprised how many of us crazies are roaming about. And unsupervised no less!
And none of you "built that". You won the parent lottery and were born middle class or better. You didn't pay one thin dime for your educations and you possibly didn't even pay for your homes. I mean... housing is probably the biggest expense an American has and more than half of Conservatives pay nothing for their housing except maybe the property taxes... ... hmmm...
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how do you think that would play out? 
