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Old 03-19-2016, 03:09 PM
 
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America would lose if we went to war with the whole world. That said its probably the only country on earth that is completely impossible to successfully invade.

Invade through Canada or Mexico. Don't burn bridges or taunt world leaders, it can happen as we have seen before.
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Old 03-19-2016, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Ok. Maybe we'd be hard to directly invade.
But what about a long-term seige?
Where are we gonna get STUFF?
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Old 03-19-2016, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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m).

In short -- plenty to watch carefully out there, but not many to immediately be concerned about.
There's nothing to worry about because for the most part, there'd be nothing for anyone to really gain.
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Old 03-19-2016, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What makes one think we don't have contingency plans to fight our allies like Batman has contingency plans on fighting other superheroes?

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America would lose if we went to war with the whole world. That said its probably the only country on earth that is completely impossible to successfully invade.
Afghanistan has seemed to have been successful in repelling invaders.
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Old 03-20-2016, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So if it really came down to the USA VS the World how do you think we would fare?
Being economically isolated from the rest of the world would pretty much doom the USA.

The idea of foreign enemies mounting an invasion of the continental US is pretty preposterous at first glance. But as our economy contracts, we wouldn't be able to keep that powerful navy at sea to repel enemies. All that airpower would find itself grounded.

It would end badly for the US. Not quickly, though. But it would be "death by a thousand cuts."
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Old 03-20-2016, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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If we were to fight a war against the entire world, we would lose. The sheer manpower would be VERY overwhelming.
Politicians don't fight wars - soldiers do.
I did not know the two were mutually exclusive.
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Old 03-25-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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The United States could never impose its will over the entire world to "win" a war. With our Navy, our Air force, and 2 oceans to protect us, the United States cannot be successfully invaded.


It doesn't matter how much "manpower" other countries have if they can't successfully get it to a place it can be used.


Let's say this "potential" invasion is moving across one of the oceans to attack the mainland United States. The invasion force would need to be large enough to take the attrition put on it by the Navy and the Air force, and still somehow land enough force to beat a combination of traditional ground forces and militia. AND logistically sustain this force across thousands of miles of ocean.


Any force that actually was this large could be halted with the simple detonation of a nuclear weapon far in advance of its path with the message "the next one won't miss". Does the invasion force keep moving forward? If the US used a nuclear weapon against a purely military force in open ocean, what type of response does that require? A nuke on a U.s city? Does the United States then take out city X,Y,Z of its enemy then? Are the countries in this invasion force willing to risk their cities for an offensive invasion of another country thousands of miles away?
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Old 03-25-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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Being economically isolated from the rest of the world would pretty much doom the USA.

The idea of foreign enemies mounting an invasion of the continental US is pretty preposterous at first glance. But as our economy contracts, we wouldn't be able to keep that powerful navy at sea to repel enemies. All that airpower would find itself grounded.

It would end badly for the US. Not quickly, though. But it would be "death by a thousand cuts."

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the United States to cause havoc on world trade with its Navy. The United States a network of more than 1,000 military bases. I would guess the Pentagon has the plans and ability to shut down critical water ways around the world. Straight of Hormuz, straight of Malacca. Who can dislodge the American Navy from these locations? Specifically, its carriers and submarine fleets.


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Old 03-25-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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The United States can never be militarily defeated -- IF we have the will to win.

Consider the absolutely appalling level of violence and destruction we visited upon Germany and Japan in World War II. Now consider Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. In those latter conflicts, we fought with at least one arm tied around our backs. If we were truly and seriously bent on pounding those countries into submission, then Seoul, Saigon, Kabul, and Baghdad would be nothing more than mounds of smouldering ruins. But the American people would not tolerate our military inflicting that level of destruction against enemies that were not seen as directly threatening our way of life, as Germany and Japan were seen.

In an absolutely worst-case scenario, when every country in the world is against us and Canada and Mexico openly allow their countries to be used as staging areas for the worldwide invasion of the United States, there's no denying that things would get ugly in a hurry, for all concerned (including us). But we would also see every major capital city worldwide reduced to radioactive embers before we allowed ourselves to be conquered.
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Old 03-25-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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The United States can never be militarily defeated -- IF we have the will to win.

Consider the absolutely appalling level of violence and destruction we visited upon Germany and Japan in World War II. Now consider Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. In those latter conflicts, we fought with at least one arm tied around our backs. If we were truly and seriously bent on pounding those countries into submission, then Seoul, Saigon, Kabul, and Baghdad would be nothing more than mounds of smouldering ruins. But the American people would not tolerate our military inflicting that level of destruction against enemies that were not seen as directly threatening our way of life, as Germany and Japan were seen.

Exactly. Total war. Go after a nation's food supply, and suddenly those big populations become a liability. Anyone who would point out America's struggles against smaller foes doesn't understand the nature of total war. None of those conflicts were an "US OR THEM" proposition.






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