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What is sensible to some isn't sensible to others.
When I have a problem to solve, it is solved by finding the root cause and targeting that. Guns are not the root cause of these attacks. No matter what you do with gun laws the attacks will continue. What is the point of targeting something that isn't related to the cause?
Every time on of these mass killings happens you hear "ban guns" and i always question people what would that do? So if you ban guns being sold or produced in this country they will just smuggle them in from other countries just like they do now with the drugs. There is an obvious ban on drugs too how is that working out?
People can even manufature guns right in their own garages. Many people have metal lathes and all types of machinery to build anything. And the more laws idea is just a joke. When was the last time a criminal cared about a law? Our prison system is packed because of criminals who cared about laws. You can make a law or ban something it will never stop a criminal. It may put them away after they create havoc but another criminal just takes his place. Criminals are just like roaches they can't be stopped.
Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done about these mass murders. When you have 250+ million people in the country you are going to get some bad apples it's just the way it is.
I personally don't own a gun but if i decide to get one for protection i don't want that right taken away. Only allowing the criminals to have the guns is the dumbest idea. And when seconds count the police are minutes away. Lets just say guns magically went away criminals will just find another weapon to use. Right on this forum i read the topic about the guy in the supermarket getting his neck cut by some nut with a box cutter he was randomly targeted.
What would you do when someone is slashing at you with a box cutter? Tell him to wait while you call the police? Get another box cutter to equal the playing field? Or own a gun for protection and shoot the threat?
Well i know some would say "just tase him or pepper spray him because he was just having a bad day you don't need to kill him"
You know, Eddie, you're wrong right out of the gate. I haven't heard much of anyone saying "ban guns". Honestly, I can't remember anyone REALISTICALLY saying that. So my question to you is -- why are your pouring kerosene on the fire?
And no, "many" people do not have the capability to manufacture their own guns. It's a very rare person that can do that.
Then you argue your own points. First you say that laws can put criminals away, and in the next sentence you say criminals can't be stopped. Which is it?
I don't believe that "there is nothing that can be done about these mass murders". For example, does a right to own a gun mean any gun? Omar Mateen fired 24 shots in 9 seconds. Why not outlaw common people owning "guns of war". Regular pistols; okay. Rifles; okay. Shotguns; okay. Semiautomatic guns; why? Do you think that if all Mateen had was a box cutter that 50 people would be dead right now? Really?
Actually yes people are talking about banning guns many many people. There are already plenty of gun regulations. You can add more if you like and it won't stop a criminal from obtaining a gun. If he can't buy it legally he will just go to the city where you can easily obtain drugs and guns.
Okay, so give me a list of the notable people who have said to ban all guns since the Orlando shooting. It's going to be an awfully short list.
You know, Eddie, you're wrong right out of the gate. I haven't heard much of anyone saying "ban guns". Honestly, I can't remember anyone REALISTICALLY saying that. So my question to you is -- why are your pouring kerosene on the fire?
And no, "many" people do not have the capability to manufacture their own guns. It's a very rare person that can do that.
Then you argue your own points. First you say that laws can put criminals away, and in the next sentence you say criminals can't be stopped. Which is it?
I don't believe that "there is nothing that can be done about these mass murders". For example, does a right to own a gun mean any gun? Omar Mateen fired 24 shots in 9 seconds. Why not outlaw common people owning "guns of war". Regular pistols; okay. Rifles; okay. Shotguns; okay. Semiautomatic guns; why? Do you think that if all Mateen had was a box cutter that 50 people would be dead right now? Really?
A pump shotgun with 4 buck can put 200 9 mm sized holes in stuff in 9 seconds. ALL guns have been used in war.
I'm getting tired of everyone from Bernie, Hillary and the talking shocking heads on the news calling the murderers rifle an "automatic" it is not an automatic it is a semi automatic. There is a big difference. The military version has an option to be full auto the civilian AR15 does not.
It was many years ago when the Gov. banned the sale of automatic weapons to the public. They can still be owned but one needs to jump through the hoops to get a federal license to do so.
The AR15 and others like it are precision tools for the target shooters that are looking for fine accuracy. They are no more killing machines than the car the gun owner drives to the shooting range.
I heard an extremist talking today and he compared the influx of muslims to a Trojan Horse. No it wasn't Trump.
We are importing thousands of people from dangerous areas of the world and they don't like us.. What could happen??
Imagine if all the legal guns were seized and then the Trojan Horse opens up and we are taken over! What could we do?
Evil will find a way be it with a gun, a bomb, a machette or a truck loaded with bombs. Banning guns will do nothing but aide the enemies.
And I'm getting awfully tired of people like you making petty distinctions to win debating points. It may not be the precise definition, but what sportsman or hunter needs to be able to fire 24 shots in 9 seconds?
And since you're requiring accurate discussions, the gun used was not an AR15.
24 shots in 9 seconds is not "looking for fine accuracy".
Again, I see a sparsity of people saying to ban all guns.
Talking about the "Gun problem" is a liberals way of handling it. Liberals have NEVER had a solution to any problem, they talk about it, throw some money at it and blame the Republicans for not caring. Poverty, gun control, immigration, etc. It's always been that way and probably always will be.
And I haven't seen a Republican president or Congress solve any of those issues, either.
You're right. Just like all the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam supposedly had that justified the deaths of over 4,000 Americans. Or the "Mission Accomplished" aircraft carrier photo-op.
And I'm getting awfully tired of people like you making petty distinctions to win debating points. It may not be the precise definition, but what sportsman or hunter needs to be able to fire 24 shots in 9 seconds?
And since you're requiring accurate discussions, the gun used was not an AR15.
24 shots in 9 seconds is not "looking for fine accuracy".
Again, I see a sparsity of people saying to ban all guns.
Banning the AR or other semi-autos isn't going to change crime stats. It didn't the last ban, it won't this one or any future "ban". All these bans do is make gun manufacturers get clever and all owners do is pay a fee, enter the serial number into a database and call them "assault weapons".
How is any of that going to stop mass shootings. I still have "assault weapons" from the first "ban". I still took them hunting, to the range, everywhere. Bans are a joke.
The un-informed have this misguided conception that a ban magically sucks all the AR-15s and AK-47s from the masses. They don't.
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