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That is only one of many definitions for slave.
SLAVE - 1. One who is owned as the property of someone else, especially in involuntary servitude. 2. One who is subservient to or controlled by another: his boss's slave. 3. One who is subject to or controlled by a specified influence: a slave to alcohol; a slave to an irrational fear. 4. One who works extremely hard. 5. One who acts out the role of the submissive partner in a sadomasochistic relationship. 6. A slave ant. 7. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component.
SLAVERY - the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work.
SLAVE - a person legally owned by another and having no freedom of action or right to property
- a person who is forced to work for another against his will
- under the domination of another person
SLAVERY - 1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
2. A civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
- - - Free Dictionary
In America, a "FREE" man must get permission (license) and / or pay a tax to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog. If that's your definition of FREEDOM, we need a new dictionary.
Excellent post you are so very close but no cigar!!!
And by the way you have a tiny bit of intellectual dishonesty yourself. American citizen can meet all of his or her obligations and debt to the United States of America and then at that particular time be free to leave at his or her own will.
Ok so maybe not true slavery but indentured servitude without a work program at fair rates. So the longer you are not able to find work the more the debt racks up and the slimmer your odds become of getting that passport back. Also our legal system is chomping at the bit to bring back debtors prison and in a few cases have thrown child support debtors in prison for "contempt of court". I don't know how often it is done but that is certainly not freedom.
The corrupt judges have not been able to fully bring back debtors prison but they are trying, just last year student loans poped up on my professional licensure along with child support arrears so they can take your livelihood for failure to pay student loans even if you are unemployed.
We are not free, without true opportunity AND the freedom to leave you are not free. You can call it indentured servitude or slavery to me its all the same.
Oh and you can never own your home because you always have a tax liability and the state can put you on the streets if something happens and you cant pay anymore even if the house itself if paid for.
Again if I have tons of money and no debts then why would I leave, at that point I am no longer a slave. Maybe I would leave for vacation but not to flee that nation due to insolvency and the nasty things our govt does to insolvent people.
Maybe if the fed govt gave people jobs commensurate with their education and experience at commensurate rates with private sector if the private sector was saturated then you would have an argument as people would have a last ditch means to pay their debts commensurate with what they have worked for (ie no low ball wages for stem degree, industry experience, etc). But fed govt jobs are excruciatingly difficult to get.
That is only one of many definitions for slave.
SLAVE -
In America, a "FREE" man must get permission (license) and / or pay a tax to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog. If that's your definition of FREEDOM, we need a new dictionary.
And most of that - and other similar things - were true upon the founding and writing of the Constitution. They were true in "enlightened" societies leading up to our revolution. They are part and parcel of specialization and civilization (I don't want some dummy flying my plane!).
So if you truly believe this - you are putting forth definitions which are the opposite of what has ever been.
In other words, you are playing SIMEARTH and not discussing something which has a bearing on reality.
BTW, there are lots of radios you can TX with without a license. Lots of medicines you can buy...and even trade in (with disclaimers). My wife cuts my hair - never got in trouble yet or paid a tax. I have a bike and a pair of legs which I travel with each day - never paid a tax for doing so.
In fact, I am writing this right now and not paying to do so. Not even asking permission from anyone. Imagine that!
We are not free, without true opportunity AND the freedom to leave you are not free. You can call it indentured servitude or slavery to me its all the same.
Oh and you can never own your home because you always have a tax liability and the state can put you on the streets if something happens and you cant pay anymore even if the house itself if paid for.
These would only be relevant points if you could point to a civilized (or other) place in the world where this wasn't so. Otherwise it's total BS.
Is there anywhere where you don't have to work (and can eat and live) and there are no taxes?
I'd say no.
The ultimate freedom is the decision whether to live or die (each day). Assuming you have a passport, you can buy a one-way ticket to Switzerland and be done with it (just request it, you don't have to be sick). That being the case, we have to assume that most people volunteer to continue living and doing what it takes to make that happen.
We want freedom, but we don't want a plutocracy where only the rich run things and billionaires are elected presidents and the rich are getting obscenely rich without paying their fair share of taxes.
Ok so maybe not true slavery but indentured servitude without a work program at fair rates. So the longer you are not able to find work the more the debt racks up and the slimmer your odds become of getting that passport back. Also our legal system is chomping at the bit to bring back debtors prison and in a few cases have thrown child support debtors in prison for "contempt of court". I don't know how often it is done but that is certainly not freedom.
The corrupt judges have not been able to fully bring back debtors prison but they are trying, just last year student loans poped up on my professional licensure along with child support arrears so they can take your livelihood for failure to pay student loans even if you are unemployed.
We are not free, without true opportunity AND the freedom to leave you are not free. You can call it indentured servitude or slavery to me its all the same.
Oh and you can never own your home because you always have a tax liability and the state can put you on the streets if something happens and you cant pay anymore even if the house itself if paid for.
Again if I have tons of money and no debts then why would I leave, at that point I am no longer a slave. Maybe I would leave for vacation but not to flee that nation due to insolvency and the nasty things our govt does to insolvent people.
Maybe if the fed govt gave people jobs commensurate with their education and experience at commensurate rates with private sector if the private sector was saturated then you would have an argument as people would have a last ditch means to pay their debts commensurate with what they have worked for (ie no low ball wages for stem degree, industry experience, etc). But fed govt jobs are excruciatingly difficult to get.
So then I see what you mean , that is what I would call (the Jim Crow form of slavery) , or rather (slavery lite) indentured servants Style.
As bad as things are becoming here in America it could always get worse , and people find themself in real honest-to-GOD slavery.
What you said is so very true people cannot Escape usury and taxations , that two headed monster will get you some(way)(how)(where).
Either property tax'es or sale tax'es your whole lifetime you will pay to the piper City / County /State / Federal Governments Tax'es.
Pay Tax'es on your allowance that your mother and father dole out to you , when you go into the store to buy candy and soft drinks.
You will also pay tax'es on that house that you paid off over a 20 or 30 years period of time , via property
Tax'es......
And most of that - and other similar things - were true upon the founding and writing of the Constitution. [The USCON is not the beginning of the republican form]
They were true in "enlightened" societies leading up to our revolution. [Which enlightened country?]
They are part and parcel of specialization and civilization (I don't want some dummy flying my plane!). [Licensing and regulations do not prevent incompetence nor accidents. If that were true, no one would need insurance.]
So if you truly believe this - you are putting forth definitions which are the opposite of what has ever been.
In other words, you are playing SIMEARTH and not discussing something which has a bearing on reality.
BTW, there are lots of radios you can TX with without a license. [By their permission]
Lots of medicines you can buy...and even trade in (with disclaimers). [By their permission]
My wife cuts my hair - never got in trouble yet or paid a tax. [She charges for it? No income taxes? No business license?]
I have a bike and a pair of legs which I travel with each day - never paid a tax for doing so. [Depends on the municipality. But you have to obey their rules - or else!]
In fact, I am writing this right now and not paying to do so. Not even asking permission from anyone. Imagine that![You are paying, directly and indirectly]
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REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. . . The fourth section of the fourth article of the constitution, directs that "the United States shall guaranty to every state in the Union a republican form of government." The form of government is to be guarantied, WHICH SUPPOSES A FORM ALREADY ESTABLISHED, and this is the republican form of government the United States have undertaken to protect.
- - - Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 6th edition, 1856
. . .
The republican form existed BEFORE the USCON, thus it cannot be a “constitutional republic.”
. . .
Not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define the republican form or its origin, despite the fact that it is guaranteed by Art.4, Sec., USCON.
. . .
CONSTITUTION, Art. 4, Sec. 4. The guarantee of a republican form of government to every "state" means to its people and not to its government: Texas v. White. 7 Wall. (U. S.) 700, 19 L. Ed. 227.
- - - Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 8th ed. (1914), P.635
The republican form is guaranteed to the PEOPLE (sovereigns) not to the state governments (oath bound subjects of the U.S. government).
. . . .
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
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When you figure out how "sovereigns without subjects" became subjects owing taxes and needing permission from their governments, you may change your mind.
OKAY, OKAY
I will give another hint - - -
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"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, described by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).
Do you know how and when you gave consent to be governed?
If the posts here can be taken as an indication of how American's think of their "rights" and obligations, it's obvious that they put their notions of a "free market" supremacy above all else, the constitution included. The constitution has been usurped by the rising plutocracy that has taken the moneyed path to corporatism, while never looking back. The Supreme court is now supreme beyond the base of constitutional directives it was supposed to uphold. The rights of individuals, now equal to the rights of corporations.
Freedom? Slavery? No, we're somewhere between all that, and the fact of our collective vigilance being conspicuously absent. It matters little to the plutocrats that we have a constitution, running slipshod over that aging document was a given once we bought into the supremacy of business over government. Trump is but one piece of that puzzle, American's have abdicated their democracy in favor of a business plutocracy, maybe Donny will write an entirely new constitution, with Steve Bannon's help of course.. And don't laugh, more people than you might assume would gladly rewrite our constitution in order to have the government they want.
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