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Old 02-19-2017, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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However, as of now, newspaper circulation is declining, many news networks are losing ratings, the internet has created alternate news sources that are people are increasingly switching to, opinion polls are showing that public trust in the mainstream media is at an all time low, and they've created a "Fake News" narrative that has blown up in their faces, as now figures from across the political spectrum are openly questioning the impartiality and honesty of established new sources.
I am not sure who is the "they" in your sentence above, but from construction it appears you are pointing the finger at the mainstream media.

According to Google trends, the term "fake news" was not a searched-for term until Donald Trump's first news conference as president-elect in November. In that conference he accused CNN of being "fake news". From that point on "fake news" had entered the political lexicon. It was not invented by the press.

My feeling is that the "fake news" phenomena is a form of propaganda in which people with an agenda use the accusation of "fake news" to promote an idea that requires a suspension of rational belief to make the idea believable. Journalism is for the most part a profession that strives to report on events in a truthful way. A free press is widely recognized as being a pillar of democracy and attempts to stifle it with accusations of "fake news" is a real blow to democracy.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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A survey a few years ago reported that 94% of journalists voted left. They are unlikely to do fair and balanced reporting and the public senses that and stops buying their publications and no longer watches them on the tube.
And which survey was that?
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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Some would say that the mainstream media once had a monopoly on the truth. It was highly profitable, highly trusted, well-respected, and possessed a great deal of authority.
Hard to tell, the conglomerates have had control of our media for a long time. Our public schools have also become dominated by ideology. If Trump gets 8 years and Ivanka 8, maybe the back of political indoctrination will be broken. However it will take the better part of a generation. After Ivanka's 8, maybe Barron can do another 8. Ubiquitous red pilling may take a while.
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Old 02-19-2017, 08:19 PM
 
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Found this regarding Trump, the media, and the press conference ... it is on the money...

Housebreaking the News Media

Donald Trump did not undermine confidence in our news media. The news media undermined our confidence in the news media[/u]. For decades they have exaggerated stories that are good for liberals and refused to cover stories that are bad for liberals. Someone is finally calling them on it and we are laughing at them.


That is hilarious... and it's on target.

Nobody has had the guts to call the media on their reporting until Trump. And he has given access (imply introduced competition) to new media outlets. The competition can be part of the housebreaking process if viewers start using other methods to get their news.

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Old 02-19-2017, 08:35 PM
 
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One more article to support the theory that the media is their own worst enemy.

CBS anchor John Dickerson: Press ruined its reputation 'on its own'

"But that one comment, they don't trust you anymore, is a summation of where we are in America, because I really do think Manhattan-Beltway elites have lost the country," Hewitt said. "They've lost it."

Dickerson agreed.

"Yes, it's true, and it's not because of anything obviously Donald Trump did. The press did all that good work ruining its reputation on its own, and we can have a long conversation about what created that," Dickerson said.


So the obvious answer to the thread title is... that it's up to the media to determine when they hit rock bottom, like an alcoholic, and figure it's time to change. They will determine their own future.
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Old 02-19-2017, 08:52 PM
 
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I don't follow politics so can't comment on the Prez but I bookmarked this a couple of years ago from SO's facebook feed. It's an eye opening older film explaining how the media works. The never before seen footage along with the aired presentations of those stories has me taking the news with grains of salt and much cynicism. It's hard watching now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKjK...ouglasBickford
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Old 02-19-2017, 09:50 PM
 
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Hard to tell, the conglomerates have had control of our media for a long time. Our public schools have also become dominated by ideology. If Trump gets 8 years and Ivanka 8, maybe the back of political indoctrination will be broken. However it will take the better part of a generation. After Ivanka's 8, maybe Barron can do another 8. Ubiquitous red pilling may take a while.
You are getting way ahead of yourself there.

There isn't going to be some catastrophic collapse of the MSM news outlets..

1. All of these 24 hour cable news networks in this country are owned by the the largest media conglomerates there is. (Comcast, Fox, Time Warner)

2. The thing that has really happen is that they are getting competition from alternative, internet based news sources but that is hardly going to be enough to do them in.
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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A survey a few years ago reported that 94% of journalists voted left. They are unlikely to do fair and balanced reporting and the public senses that and stops buying their publications and no longer watches them on the tube.
Would you say that the other 6% are over at FOX?

So we should not believe FOX either?

Why don't more conservatives go into journalism?
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:24 PM
 
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In Simplest terms, that of The Boy Who Cried Wolf - irrelevancy to the general population and a learning paradigm shift. Somewhat akin to those who were oppressed under the Soviet system regarded "PRAVDA".

Once the general population is made aware and educated of how distorted and programmed they are they have an inherent distrust as if a close family member was disloyal to them.

Once they realize they are being 'farmed' they will be uncooperative and not easily controlled and played. This means the controlling elements will seek further economic control such as digital money whereby they can essentially control non compliant individuals by severing their ability to live in the new system they would like to set up.

A condensed education for reference for the more holistic problem. Stay with me here as these all illustrate the key controlling aspects. Starting with an apt summary:

"When watching men of power it must be always kept in mind that, whether they know it or not, their main purpose is the elimination or neutralization of the independent individual - the independent voter, consumer, worker, owner, thinker, - and that every device they employ aims at turning men into a manipulable "animated instrument", which is Aristotle's definition of a slave. - Eric Hoffer

Systemic fundamental problem across various realms:
//www.city-data.com/forum/philo...l#post29337345


Media:
//www.city-data.com/forum/great...l#post40401439
//www.city-data.com/forum/great...l#post40405055


"Americans live in a world of pseudo facts, which is created for them by their own media" - Daniel Boorstin, Librarian of Library of Congress 1975-1987

Education:
Weapons of Mass Instruction, John Taylor Gatto
The Child The Parent and The State, James Bryan Conant, 1959
Principles of Secondary Education, Alexander Inglis, 1918

"Compulsory education was intended to be what it had been for Prussia in the 1920s, a fifth column into the burgeoning democratic movement that threatened to give peasants and the proletarians a voice at the bargaining table. Modern industrialized compulsory schooling was to make a sort of surgical intervention into the prospective unity of these underclasses. Divide children by subject, by age grading, by constant ranking on tests, and many other more subtle means, and it was unlikely that the ignorant mass of mankind, separated in childhood, would re-integrate into a dangerous whole." - Inglis
//www.city-data.com/forum/educa...l#post30146379


Economy
//www.city-data.com/forum/great...l#post30120461


Other reading
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post27913672


Another documentary - Adam Curtis' BBC "Century of Self"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:44 AM
 
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I am not sure who is the "they" in your sentence above, but from construction it appears you are pointing the finger at the mainstream media.

According to Google trends, the term "fake news" was not a searched-for term until Donald Trump's first news conference as president-elect in November. In that conference he accused CNN of being "fake news". From that point on "fake news" had entered the political lexicon. It was not invented by the press.
I suggest you alter your research methods, the term fake news pre-dates Trump's election, and I believe the press-conference you're referring to was in January of this year, after CNN and Buzzfeed ran the ridiculous "Golden Shower" story about Trump.

Here's some pre-election media reports about "Fake News":

The plague of fake news is getting worse -- here's how to protect yourself - Oct. 30, 2016

https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilver...-trump-misinfo

Facebook Still Has a Fake News Problem | Fortune.com

Facebook, Twitter, and 30 other orgs join First Draft’s partner network to help stop the spread of fake news » Nieman Journalism Lab

https://points.datasociety.net/fake-...fcb#.j4h2t55sj

The reason why the term exploded after the election was because the media and the left-wing were desperately searching for excuses in the days and weeks after the election to explain their loss, rather than just admitting that they backed a weak candidate. Their other main excuse was Russian hacking.

And this is the press conference that you were referring to. It wasn't in November, it was on the 11th of January, 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq2W00EIthw

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