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I think you don't get it. Life may have been tough in the Soviet Union and China but that doesn't mean the people from those countries to immigrate to the U.S. hate their own people. They hate their government. And when we go to war with their country we aren't killing their government we are killing people just like them---same ethnic group and everything. I won't say that you see things simplistically but that you don't comprehend things right.
I would say that it depends on if the one in the same ethnic group being killed is soldier or civilian.
For example, if there is a skirmish in the South China Sea on those largely uninhabited atoll or rocks (which is the most likely scenario if there is a conflict between US and China), then the loss of life will mainly be combatants.
Under that scenario, I think neither Chinese will hate Americans, nor Americans will hate Chinese.
But if there is a large scale land war which involves the mass loss of civilians on either side, then that will generate hatred, i.e. Japanese invasion in 1937 which led to the Nanking Massacre.
And if the land war is a proxy war waged on foreign soil, i.e. Korean War, it would generate some anti-Chinese or anti-American sentiment but probably does not last long since the casualties are mostly military personnel.
So the Chinese cook in the Chinese restaurant may not hate you because his brother died unless his brother was servicing on a destroyer in the South China Sea.
And even if there is a land war waged between two countries, that may not necessarily generate hatred.
It depends on the discipline of both armies.
Unlike the notorious Soviet Red Army who raped two million German girls and Japanese Imperial Army who conducted the Nanking Massacre, both Chinese and American soldiers are highly disciplined. Seldom is there any report of abuse of civilians in the battles they got involved.
In fact, when the US Army invaded Beijing in 1900 during the Boxer Rebellion, US actually generated goodwill because it donated all the money that the Chinese court gave for indemnity to build the elite Tsinghua University which many Chinese leaders graduated from.
If I got tired of eating on base, I might go eat at a Chinese restaurant. However I woudl go to one where other members of the invasion force were eating and had eaten in the past. If they did not poison the invader the day before, it is not too likely they woudl suddenly start.
I never called for the persecution of ethnic Chinese and never gave any indication that I approved of that sort of thing.
Actually, that's exactly what you said by saying "we would be killing ethnic Chinese" and that it is just a fact of war. Why would we be killing ethnic Chinese here in the states if we went to war with China? You can try and spin your way out of it, but everyone here knew exactly what you meant when you typed your original post.
I don't know if this is possible. A fact I heard that as of last decade, the number Chinese restaurants in the US outnumbers McDonalds stores! Granted, McDonalds is impressive in the fact that a single restaurant is that ubiquitous across the US landscape, but still... it'd be like asking if Americans would be wiling to give up McDonalds!
Like McDonalds, Chinese restaurants have closed down, but they're all over the US map for a reason... because people DO eat there!
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This is the weirdest thing.
I find it disappointing when people can't separate the actions of a government from the people of a nation.
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mmmm, Yea. The Chinese who are here have no love of the Chinese government. I highly doubt they would have any animosity toward the country if we went to war with China. They certainly wouldn't be trying to harm fellow citizens.
It's nice to be able to quote off of others who not already said what you were going to say, but did it much better
In many countries, their citizens and their government are often quite removed. Yes, citizens need to follow laws, and government should be serving the people and helping out with societal stuff. But that's the extent of it given your average citizen. Many foreigners in their own countries have said they love Americans, even though they don't agree with their government (for the US, as a "world leader", and for China, as a large player in the world's economy), or have actually been harmed by their policies.
They've met Americans before, and for the most part, they're not unlike them. They work hard, have sound moral principles, take care of each other, and appreciate good food and company.
How in the blue hell has this topic made it to 11 pages?
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Granted, McDonalds is impressive in the fact that a single restaurant is that ubiquitous across the US landscape, but still... it'd be like asking if Americans would be wiling to give up McDonalds!
