Problems With Millenials and Keeping America's Unique Advantages (Al Gore, generation, ethical)

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by NY_refugee87

Some people don't get it, or just hate freedom and liberty and think Uncle Sam should provide them with everything they see fit. Maybe there is some truth that schools are puppy mill indoctrination centers that soften kids up? Maybe there's some truth in schools not teaching history, but an adaptation of history. For if the dinks of my generation read anything of history and studied what truly fascist and evil regimes were all about... they'd be praying the government never had control over their weapons.

That should raise alot of flags, ring alot of bells, sound many alarms, that there is a problem with today's society. I wasn't around for the 40s 50s 60s 70s.

But if I had to guess... I wouldn't doubt the degenerate hippies from my parents era had a huge part in the decline of America.
Their use of dope
Their sleep around carelessness
Their commie sentiment...

And some of them made it into politics...

I'm not the typical millenial

I am starting this thread from a post on the "Gun Violence" thread since many posts not directly related to the Las Vegas shooting are being stricken, with good reason.

This poster, apparently born in 1987 makes some excellent points. I was born in 1957 so I got to experience at least the fading days of somewhat traditional values. And by that I do not mean WASPish conformity.

I went to First Grade in 1963-4. It was the beginning of the end of the calm post-war era. Kennedy was shot that November and the center began to wobble. In hindsight the rot reached to the top. Britain's sex scandal was in the headlines. Kennedy's was not until much later. In the schools, which NY_refugee87 mentions education was still time-tested and proven, but "duck and cover" made people inordinately scared of "the Bomb" and took that weapon off the table. Its substitute, conscription of affluent, comfortable suburbanites to fight in far-away wars was even scarier. This led directly to "the degenerate hippies from (NY_refugee87's) parents era."

As the Vietnam War era and the "draft" progressed the result was full-blown revolt. There was the mostly meritorious "civil rights" era, addressing evils that needed rectification. Much less defensible was the campus and ultimately urban nihilism. The adults of the 1960's, largely born during the era from WW I to around 1930, responded by electing Nixon, and giving George Wallace an important amount of votes. The tragic accident of history was that this deeply flawed man was the one given the job of restoring societal order.

Thus, what we got was the degeneration that NY_refugee87 decries.

Easy sex, drug use and other pathologies led to the decline of the nuclear family and intact marriage. Gay marriage and the rights of transsexuals or people with gender dysphoria trumps (pun not intended) everyday concerns, until it got Trump elected. The schools, for their part, are busier indoctrinating than teaching. Thus the focus on "offensive" or "racist" statues rather than study of the good sides and the bad sides of our history.

This started with "duck and cover" and teaching children that they're "better red than dead" but did not end there. America is unique because if fights for what is right. Europe is focused on appeasement; go along to get along. Thus, the U.S.'s resistance to global initiatives such as the Paris Accords, the Law of the Sea Treaty and the League of Nations.

We need to restore the center. We need adults in leadership. Sadly, neither Obama nor Trump fits that bill.

[reneeh63]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Its substitute, conscription of affluent, comfortable suburbanites to fight in far-away wars was even scarier. This led directly to "the degenerate hippies from (NY_refugee87's) parents era."

Kinda stopped right there....either you're being very unclear or you're totally off. Vietnam was bypassed by as many comfortable suburbanites as possible who went to college to escape the draft. The war was fought by those who couldn't escape - working class and minorities were stuck. The first war where the upper classes refused to share the sacrifices of war.

This war was shown for what it was by the journalists - not prettified and glossed over as earlier wars were. And there were lots of blemishes to reveal - no wonder there were revolts all around by those who were young enough to be in danger's way. Older folks - patriotism all around because they had nothing to lose but their pride in the country.

...done.

[NY_refugee87]

Here's the problem with what I see in modern times and it all started back to grade school.

Progressive values made society weaker. In what... 1st or 2nd grade?, there was a presentation given by a lady who claimed if your parents spanked you or used a belt on you for discipline it was "abuse" and they gave us a list of phone numbers to use.

My parents were old school in how they raised me and my little sister.
I see today people who are around my age +/- 10 years, unfit to raise a puppy, having kids. These kids jump around in restaurant booths scream and carry on like they're at a gymnasium. No. If I did that, you'd get cuffed upside your head, hand placed over your mouth and locked inside the car to eat to not disturb the other patrons in the restaurant. Therfore you didn't act out like a spider monkey on bathsalts.

Middle school times, they preached more about "rights and equality". There was more emphasis on "discipline" based around what is offensive.
Ok. what's more harmful to education? In school suspension for offending someone, or allowing 2 kids to duke it out at lunch to settle their score? ISS was the "punishment" which kept kids from attending class. They were issued homework still, but you were to sit quietly the whole day in a room with other kids who also had less than favorable behavior.

9/11 occurs...

What follows, lock down drills. What's a lock down drill? Well it's when it was revealed terrorist cells may attempt school shootings.
My school's lock down drill. Sound the alarm, a message was broad cast over the intercom system to get to cover immediately. Kids closest to Windows shut the blinds and the teacher would tell us to lay on the floor, the teacher would sprint to the door and lock it. The doors had a big pane of glass. Teachers desk was in the front of the room adjacent to the door. Teacher locked the door and joined us on the floor. 10 minutes later police sirens were heard, along with ambulance sirens. 15 minutes and you could hear boots running down the hall way and the occasion bark from a K9.

After the first lock down drill occurred and we assembled in the auditorium I asked a legitimate question
"I have a problem with this drill. How exactly does making us all sitting ducks face down on the floor protect us? How? What is the teacher going to do? Chuck Norris spin kick an attacker once they break the glass and unlock the door? We are all there prime rib to a pitbull. I think the teachers should be able to carry concealed and hide behind their desk tell us to plug our ears and unload at whoever tries to break through that door"
It got many people upset and subsequently for suggesting that, I was once again, in ISS. That was 14 15 years ago?

So progressive liberals I ask, do gun free zones do anything to stop a criminal who is intent on extinguishing life from shooting a school? No it does not.

Does harsh punishments for kids and removing them from class help or hurt them because social justice is more important than knowing algebra, the history of the world, the history of the United States, or how to compose a paragraph? Apparently so, and apparently "feelings" and what is subjectively "right" is more valued than an education. I have a problem with this.

My sophomore year in highschool, the school took my idea on introducing an armed element. They didn't arm the teachers. No no, they had two (2) state troopers brought in, called them "Student Resource Officers". They were opportunistic, and wrote alot of tickets in the student parking lot. Those of us who had lifted trucks, would park on top of snow banks in the winter. They'd write tickets, and have our trucks towed. Joke on them, I knew the owner of the tow company that was dispatched. His son and I were best friends. End of the day he'd drop the truck off at the end of the parking lot
They'd write us tickets for loud exhaust. Fix it ticket so pull the glass packs off and put on a beer keg muffler, go to the town hall, had the judge and officer there sign off. Go home, pull the mufflers off put the glass packs back on.

Parents, they need to parent. Don't neuter the parents ability to discipline their child. Do you really honestly believe that taking the power cord to little Johnnie's video game for a week is punishment? HAHAHA no. I was one of the last of my generation who didn't grow up with video games. Except for desktop computer games. And it was limited use. I played outside. Contrary to popular belief, kids aren't made of glass. I fell off of my bicycles many times. Built jumps in the back yard, skinned my knees and elbows, knocked teeth loose. You fall, you get back up. Go get a band aid and go back out to keep playing. I doubt you see that anymore. Now it's rush little Johnny to the emergency room OMG he's hurt. It's true. I've been to the emergency room for legitimate emergencies. Who's clogging up the emergency room? Unfit parents with a toddler who has an ear infection.

My teenage years I spent on quads dirtbikes snowmobiles snow boarding and building and racing stock cars. Learned from alot of the "old timers" how to weld etc. I worked in trades after school, weekends and summer break saving money. I grew up with a gun cabinet in the house. The ammo was locked in the bottom of the cabinet. If I wanted to shoot, I'd ask. If I ever once "played" with a gun, a stern lecture wasn't all I received. Then again since age 5 I've been shooting.

My teenage/highschool years, I got along with almost everybody. I was an anti bully. The dorks, the geeks, the nerds, they used to get bullied and bullied ruthlessly by guys on the varsity and junior varsity football team. You'd hear the "jocks" shout sarcastically OOPS as they'd shoulder bump these kids half their size into a locker. Or they would call them "gay" or throw stuff at them at lunch. That didn't fly with me. I also struggled in math so I saw an opportunity. In exchange for protection, they helped tutor me, they could "dumb" it down for me during study hall. Where the teacher would say they aren't going to waste that time on a problem to tie up the class. Math became one of my best performing classes. Right next to US history, shop classes, and physics (got kicked out of chemistry class. )

If someone gave them a hard time, I'd talk to them at practice. We had scrimmage matches with varsity team Wednesday or Thursday night. The older and bigger bullies, that's when I'd deal with them. They didn't get the hint to back off or laughed in my face about it. The following play, hit them as hard as possible in hitting drills or dirty in a scrimmage, and go for the knees and ruin their Friday or Saturday night. Watch them sit injured on the bench.

That myth to "privilege" sort of existed, as they'd go on with a tiny slap on the wrist, unless the athletic director caught wind of it. Athletic director viewed us and held us to a higher standard, for we were ambassadors of the school. Bad behavior at away games resulted in harsh punishments, bad behavior or poor grades (you needed a B average to be on the team) resulted in review on whether or not you'd turn in your gear and jersey.

Would it come to anyone's surprise, the nerds geeks etc I protected, and conned their parents into thinking they were spending the night to help me study, when in reality I brought them to parties up in the woods... became my investment advisor/stock broker, lawyer, and in other helpful successful endeavors? Politics aside, sexual preference aside, they still to this day, are some of my closest friends.

I'm not the typical millenial. I fought hard against what the teachers were "teaching" I mocked their utopian outlook, and in college... Oh man... a few general electives that were mandatory, well... I outright called the professors out during their lectures and threw their whole "acceptance and tollerance to all" right back in their face.
"You want campus cops to remove me from this class for a difference in outlook? You prove my point for me that your political ideology is a farce and that you are far from accepting and tollerant to all, especially ideas" I literally made one professor have a break down and cancel their lecture, and had to sit before the dean and other administrators to explain my actions facing expulsion.
Luckily for me, I don't succumb to emotional rants or tirades. I argue facts and logic. I embarrassed that professor at their own game.

My words were in front of the dean, who was a man of color, "practice what you preach. Your mentality and animosity towards me and others in that lecture hall, is befitting that of a racist. You fear what is foreign or different than you, and have a bias, a prejudice against us. Fear breeds hate. Hate breeds evil. It would do you well to take what everyone has to say and argue what you teach/preach" again that professor about had another meltdown and broke out with the crocodile tears and once again succumbed to emotion making their argument and proving my point to the dean. Sometimes the jokes write themselves and sometimes, you can give your adversary enough rope to hang themselves.

[NY_refugee87]

And my former state of NY is another shining example of progressive approach to societal decay...

Heroin and Opioid plague

Western MA and upstate NY are plagued with opioid and heroin addiction. I view addiction the same as I do obesity. Your bad habits led to your consequences.

Anyways, Cuomo and the feel good brigade, declare that police should be neutered. We need to remove the stigma surrounding overdoses to save lives. Police can not detain nor arrest those present at the scene of an overdose, and are responsible for reviving and administering NARCAN, and if a meat wagon isn't close by, load them up and bring them to the emergency room.

This enables and perpetuates the problem!

Here in Florida, I love how they do things, sheriff's have had undercover buying dope, building up evidence on small time pushers to their bigger distributors! They hunt them down and bag them in stings!

NY... a cop responds to the scene of an overdose at a "trap house" and there could be junkies with needles hanging out of their arms. They can't arrest them. There could be dope out in the open. They can't arrest them. Nor for guilt by association. You're protecting criminals and perpetuating the problem and socialising the expense down to the tax payers of the state. And last I heard, they wanted to give safe spaces to shoot up to prevent overdose under the supervision of nurses and medical staff?

Pfft.

Those junkies, get to run around and steal anything and everything that isn't locked up, bolted down etc. to pawn off to support their habits.
Again, I lived in upstate NY where cityiot liberals from South of dutchess county bought up farms and vacant land to develop for their half million dollar weekend/summer homes.
My town had a police force.


These cityiots managed to become the biggest scourge worse than cancer.

1. They were elected to the town board.
2. They wrote non-sense laws that fit their agenda and punished locals.
3. Artificially inflated home/tax assessment values driving affordable housing out of reach to blue collar workers
4. Passed a noise ordinance. If you had glass packs/straight pipes on a pickup, drag pipes on a Harley you were ticketed for noise ordinance violation.
5. Restricted hunting to Monday-Thursday which caused the deer population to explode, they ravaged farms. Afterall, they didn't come up to hear hillbillys shoot guns or were too scared to hike or jog along the side of a road out of fear of being shot.
6. Voted the town police out after they enforced the noise ordinance laws on the ones who pushed for it. Their kids car stereos rattling windows, their obnoxious house parties pulled over for speeding getting supporting depositions for having radar detection equipment etc. So we lose town police...
7. Deer population explodes, and our car insurance goes up because these non driving dinks were smacking deer Friday-Sunday night on their way up and way down.
8. Consult with ENCON and DEC to address the deer population problem due to complaints from farmers and the cityiots. Bright idea, create a problem and introduce another problem to handle it.
9. DEC and ENCON go to Vermont, capture mountain lions and release them to thin the herd. Only, mountain lions stalked chickens, hogs, cattle, and were quite good at it.
10. With being limited to the protection of county Sheriff's office-A half hour drive, State Troopers Barracks-45 minute drive, 911 response times averaged at 27 minutes.
11. 27 minute response time, a class of people who are terrified of the dark and snapping twigs, heroin epidemic on the rise, it was a Junkies paradise to steal.

Oh never mind their obnoxious spot lights on motion detectors, or obnoxious car alarms that would go off all hours of the night...

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by 17thAndK

I think you started this thread simply to have place in which to preach your flawed personal sermons. I'd post some of my own here, but who would actually care?

The problems I have with jbgusa are two-fold. First, he describes himself as a "left wing Democrat". Well, that may be how he sees himself, but I don't any left wing Democrat reading many of his posts would agree with him. And, his OP here is another example of why.

Second, and more importantly, he makes the same mistake that most on the right make -- this imaginary ideal that the life of yesteryear was ideal, sort of Norman Rockwellish, a time when everyone enjoyed life and was happy, and so on. It's like when I go back and watch episodes of one of my favorite television programs from the 1950s -- "Father Knows Best". It seems like an ideal family life. And I guess it was. It's just that pretty much nobody had the ideal family life that was portrayed in that series.

If you're one of these people who feels that all we have to do is go back to the "good old days", if you're at all realistic, you realize that will also go back to the "bad old days" for huge segments of the population. You'll have to go back at least to Jim Crow. To people hiding in the closet (and there were many closets, not just the gay closet). You'll have to go back to backroom abortions. Hiding under your desk to protect yourself from a nuclear attack. And so on.

Metaphorically, Walt Disney got it right. He knew people liked to look back on Frontierland, Fantasyland, Main Street USA, and Adventureland. But he also knew that people wanted to move forward. Hence Epcot and Tomorrowland. My point is that "What's past is prologue". America belongs to today's people and even tomorrow's people and their hopes and dreams. The people from the past can teach us things, but they are dead and gone. And like all things that remain vital, Americans must be free to evolve in how they see American society. And I see all this as a 68 year old man.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by reneeh63

Kinda stopped right there....either you're being very unclear or you're totally off. Vietnam was bypassed by as many comfortable suburbanites as possible who went to college to escape the draft. The war was fought by those who couldn't escape - working class and minorities were stuck. The first war where the upper classes refused to share the sacrifices of war.

This war was shown for what it was by the journalists - not prettified and glossed over as earlier wars were. And there were lots of blemishes to reveal - no wonder there were revolts all around by those who were young enough to be in danger's way. Older folks - patriotism all around because they had nothing to lose but their pride in the country.

...done.

We actually agree. The students on deferment were less panicky about what would happen on graduation until the marital deferment was removed on August 26, 1965. See PrimeTime: Marrying to Avoid Draft - ABC News. The paternity deferment ended later. The average age of marriage for males actually dropped to 22 for a brief period. Many college students figured, up until the end of the marital deferment they could segue directly to marriage in order to avoid the "deferment" ever ending.

So these entitled people were about to face the draft; and all hell broke loose not too long after. That's when the mantra of "stop the war" began.

[NY_refugee87]

Most importantly of all... I don't understand the logic of the liberal causes... I really don't...

We used to lock the mentally defect in asylums even went as far as sterilizing them. Liberals believed they had a right to access society. Just so long as they had couch time and took their pills unsupervised.

How many kids are diagnosed as being ADHD/ADD and given pills? Know what the cure for that was in my day? A belt.

My generation is proof positive of being brain washed. They thrive off of attention and distractions.
I call it like I see it. I'm a very sociable person. I often frequent bars occasionally frequent night clubs, what do I see?
I'll tell you. Faces at a 45 degree downward angle lit up by the light of a smart phone. Then pause to take a "selfie" because narcissistie is too difficult to spell.

Interact with a chick 25-35 their first questions.
"Do you have instagram (instamodel) snapchat Facebook etc etc." Uhh... no why? Well I have more pictures there.
Why, what does that matter, I'm checking you out in person...
It comes off belittling and apprehensive but I do not mean it in malice.

Seriously. Why do I care about your photos of you in a grocery store making a duck face? Why? Just please stop. If you need that much attention, it won't work out... when your followers of your provocative photos are all dudes... that tells me 2 things.
1. You crave attention and can't function without it
2. You will be easily persuaded to leave when/if things don't go 100% to your belief in what a perfect relationship is.
That isn't a personal insecurity issue or fearing infidelity. It's a real thing I have seen first hand happen with friends and cousins who got married in their 20s. 5-7 years tops, and the first troubles in paradise... both take to the social media broadcast their troubles in paradise, go tit for tat and post a plethora of provocative photos to gain attention from members of the opposite sex. Yes that will fix your problems you over grown toddlers...

I have always found sleeping around disgusting. I don't believe in notches on my bed post make me more of man than someone else. I don't buy that "alpha male" complex for one minute. That's just an indicative sign someone has mommy/daddy issues. Nothing is more of a turn off to me than sleeping with someone the night or day you meet them... because Gonnaherpesyphilaids is attractive... getting knocked up to dump the mouth you can breed but not feed on your parents so you can "be young and have a life or finish school" says alot about you as a person. It's called a convenient parent. Post up dozens of pictures of you and the kid, and garner all the attention of being the mom of the year, but behind closed doors "mom dad I'm off to the bar with the girls put Jr to bed by 8"
I've seen that first hand with a friend of my sisters. I reamed the chick out.
Her parents actually tolerated that behavior too... are you nuts!? You're going to enable her to do it all over again?! The hell is wrong with you!

You know what I will see happening?

By the time they're 40 they'll go from being cute/pretty/gorgeous to being hump backed from looking down.
Dudes are guilty of it too. I feel out of place but ohwell. Guess I have to accept it for what it is.

Parents, you dropped the ball by not punishing them, instilling morals in them, teaching them life skills. I'm not talking how to do laundry. I'm talking sheltering them from reality. There aren't many 20 somethings who even know what a carburetor is let alone change a tire. You've bred a generation of hand holders, participation trophy winners, and literally killed the very thing you seek to stand for. Diversity.

If you really are for diversity, you wouldn't bend rules, you would not issue grade curves to a class to pass a test, you wouldn't make everyone equally worthless, equally broke, equally hyper sensitive, and equally stupid.

Health insurance. I'd make sure the government never got involved in health insurance ever again. You dummies can't differentiate health care from health insurance.
What used to be affordable... became a mandatory requirement, one that has high deductibles high Co pays. What's the point in it? To keep us down? The average income from 20-35 is what 40k a year? Never mind student loans because oh you need a degree to amount to anything... There's another kick in the balls...

Colleges. I was onto them when I was in highschool touring campuses. Words like "not for profit" Yeah your book store says different. Can buy the same books on amazon via ISBN number for a third or half the price you sell them for.
Tuition. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's rain... not for profit. Reserved for (insert administrator dean etc name here) and see Mercedes, Jaguar, Landrover, Fully loaded SUVS, other luxury/performance brand 50-90k dollar table vehicles parked there. Of course not for profit. Give yourselves raises when there is a profit. I wasn't born yesterday...

[Ro2113]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

The problems I have with jbgusa are two-fold. First, he describes himself as a "left wing Democrat". Well, that may be how he sees himself, but I don't any left wing Democrat reading many of his posts would agree with him. And, his OP here is another example of why.

Second, and more importantly, he makes the same mistake that most on the right make -- this imaginary ideal that the life of yesteryear was ideal, sort of Norman Rockwellish, a time when everyone enjoyed life and was happy, and so on. It's like when I go back and watch episodes of one of my favorite television programs from the 1950s -- "Father Knows Best". It seems like an ideal family life. And I guess it was. It's just that pretty much nobody had the ideal family life that was portrayed in that series.

If you're one of these people who feels that all we have to do is go back to the "good old days", if you're at all realistic, you realize that will also go back to the "bad old days" for huge segments of the population. You'll have to go back at least to Jim Crow. To people hiding in the closet (and there were many closets, not just the gay closet). You'll have to go back to backroom abortions. Hiding under your desk to protect yourself from a nuclear attack. And so on.

Metaphorically, Walt Disney got it right. He knew people liked to look back on Frontierland, Fantasyland, Main Street USA, and Adventureland. But he also knew that people wanted to move forward. Hence Epcot and Tomorrowland. My point is that "What's past is prologue". America belongs to today's people and even tomorrow's people and their hopes and dreams. The people from the past can teach us things, but they are dead and gone. And like all things that remain vital, Americans must be free to evolve in how they see American society. And I see all this as a 68 year old man.

Good post as usual.

What people don't realize about the 50's was that it was where many of the ills people complain about in modern times actually began in the wholesome 50's. A corporatized pop culture that caters almost exclusively to the young began here. As well as rampant materialism and conspicuous consumption began here.

People constantly praise the Nuclear family but people forget that in the context of American history is a relatively young concept. Before than it was very common place to see the extended family living together or in close proximity to each other.

What brought about these changes IMO is the prosperity of the era itself, it was a double edged sword. What people don't get about pre-1950's America was that for your average person life was hard, REALLY hard. I mean a common cold could possibly kill you hard. Just surviving was a task for most people so people realized that the best chance for survival was sticking together. The family structure was stronger than in the wholesome 50's. It needed to be. You see this today in many poorer countries, the family structure is much more rigid than in western countries. But that is because they need to.

The prosperity like we experienced back in the wholesome 50's left a lot of time for leisure (As I mentioned before, conspicuous consumption). But it also left people a lot of time to think about society and their role. For women, it left them time to wonder whether being a homemaker was all there was to their lives. Being an adolescence before 1950 didn't mean much of anything. You were either an adult or a child. But this was the decade where being a teenager was recognized as the period between childhood and adulthood. And with that many of these teens sought their own identity instead of being carbon copies of their parents.

The biggest thing that came out of the wholesome 50's was the questioning of authority figures and the status quo in general. All of this bled into the 1960's in a more explosive fashion.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

The problems I have with jbgusa are two-fold. First, he describes himself as a "left wing Democrat". Well, that may be how he sees himself, but I don't any left wing Democrat reading many of his posts would agree with him. And, his OP here is another example of why.

I consider myself left-wing. Here's why:

1. I worked with my father for McGovern in 1972;
2. I joined the Democratic Party in May 1975;
3. I was a member of Westchester Young Democrats in summer and fall 1982 and campaigned for Democratic candidates;
4. I supported wolf reintroduction to Yellowstone until it happened in 1995 and actually donated a moderately decent amount;
5. I petted an animal that by chromosomes is 97% wolf;
6. I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 and 1980, for Bill Clinton in 1992, Al Gore in 2000 and Hillary Clinton in 2016;
7. I favor the right of women to drive and to vote (not to be taken for granted, not allowed in much of the world);
8. I am a Reform Jew;
9. I watched and enjoyed the movie Billy Jack on Saturday night; and
10. I am still a lot more comfortable with most liberal causes, those that have ethical and practical roots.

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Second, and more importantly, he makes the same mistake that most on the right make -- this imaginary ideal that the life of yesteryear was ideal, sort of Norman Rockwellish, a time when everyone enjoyed life and was happy, and so on. It's like when I go back and watch episodes of one of my favorite television programs from the 1950s -- "Father Knows Best". It seems like an ideal family life. And I guess it was. It's just that pretty much nobody had the ideal family life that was portrayed in that series.

If you're one of these people who feels that all we have to do is go back to the "good old days", if you're at all realistic, you realize that will also go back to the "bad old days" for huge segments of the population. You'll have to go back at least to Jim Crow. To people hiding in the closet (and there were many closets, not just the gay closet). You'll have to go back to backroom abortions. Hiding under your desk to protect yourself from a nuclear attack. And so on.

No. I'd like the "good old days" with legal abortion and full integration. At least rhetorically MLK had it right in the "I Have a Dream" speech. I am in favor of equality of rights, not equality of results. I only favor group entitlements when there is an affirmative showing that there is discrimination, i.e. when someone of George Washington Carver's brains isn't accepted to a prestigious college. The guy was a certifiable genius and forcing him to scurry down a back exit from a speech was humiliating and a horrific waste of a valuable resource.

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Metaphorically, Walt Disney got it right. He knew people liked to look back on Frontierland, Fantasyland, Main Street USA, and Adventureland. But he also knew that people wanted to move forward. Hence Epcot and Tomorrowland. My point is that "What's past is prologue". America belongs to today's people and even tomorrow's people and their hopes and dreams. The people from the past can teach us things, but they are dead and gone. And like all things that remain vital, Americans must be free to evolve in how they see American society. And I see all this as a 68 year old man.

We basically agree here. And I guess the respect is not reciprocal but I actually like you as a poster. Even though you have a "problem" with me.

[Ro2113]

Originally Posted by NY_refugee87

Most importantly of all... I don't understand the logic of the liberal causes... I really don't...

We used to lock the mentally defect in asylums even went as far as sterilizing them. Liberals believed they had a right to access society. Just so long as they had couch time and took their pills unsupervised.
Oh Liberals didn't do that, Ronald Reagan did. Look it up. Unless your caling Ronnie a Liberal now
How many kids are diagnosed as being ADHD/ADD and given pills? Know what the cure for that was in my day? A belt.
Where i grew up kids got whipped to. Including my brother, it still didn't change his behavior. It takes more than a belt to discipline a child.
My generation is proof positive of being brain washed. They thrive off of attention and distractions.
I call it like I see it. I'm a very sociable person. I often frequent bars occasionally frequent night clubs, what do I see?
I'll tell you. Faces at a 45 degree downward angle lit up by the light of a smart phone. Then pause to take a "selfie" because narcissistie is too difficult to spell. This has nothing to do with politics. This is an issue of technology and its overuse.

Interact with a chick 25-35 their first questions.
"Do you have instagram (instamodel) snapchat Facebook etc etc." Uhh... no why? Well I have more pictures there.
Why, what does that matter, I'm checking you out in person...
It comes off belittling and apprehensive but I do not mean it in malice.

Seriously. Why do I care about your photos of you in a grocery store making a duck face? Why? Just please stop. If you need that much attention, it won't work out... when your followers of your provocative photos are all dudes... that tells me 2 things.
1. You crave attention and can't function without it
2. You will be easily persuaded to leave when/if things don't go 100% to your belief in what a perfect relationship is.
That isn't a personal insecurity issue or fearing infidelity. It's a real thing I have seen first hand happen with friends and cousins who got married in their 20s. 5-7 years tops, and the first troubles in paradise... both take to the social media broadcast their troubles in paradise, go tit for tat and post a plethora of provocative photos to gain attention from members of the opposite sex. Yes that will fix your problems you over grown toddlers...

I have always found sleeping around disgusting. I don't believe in notches on my bed post make me more of man than someone else. I don't buy that "alpha male" complex for one minute. That's just an indicative sign someone has mommy/daddy issues. Nothing is more of a turn off to me than sleeping with someone the night or day you meet them... because Gonnaherpesyphilaids is attractive... getting knocked up to dump the mouth you can breed but not feed on your parents so you can "be young and have a life or finish school" says alot about you as a person. It's called a convenient parent. Post up dozens of pictures of you and the kid, and garner all the attention of being the mom of the year, but behind closed doors "mom dad I'm off to the bar with the girls put Jr to bed by 8"
I've seen that first hand with a friend of my sisters. I reamed the chick out.
Her parents actually tolerated that behavior too... are you nuts!? You're going to enable her to do it all over again?! The hell is wrong with you!
You know what I will see happening?

By the time they're 40 they'll go from being cute/pretty/gorgeous to being hump backed from looking down.
Dudes are guilty of it too. I feel out of place but ohwell. Guess I have to accept it for what it is.
This seems to be becoming a personal issue. And your whole point is based on stereotypes. Socially if you're willing to look you can always find people to connect with who feel the same way about these trends that you do.


Parents, you dropped the ball by not punishing them, instilling morals in them, teaching them life skills. I'm not talking how to do laundry. I'm talking sheltering them from reality. There aren't many 20 somethings who even know what a carburetor is let alone change a tire. You've bred a generation of hand holders, participation trophy winners, and literally killed the very thing you seek to stand for. DiversityMany 30 and 40 year olds can't seem to do this either nowadays.

If you really are for diversity, you wouldn't bend rules, you would not issue grade curves to a class to pass a test, you wouldn't make everyone equally worthless, equally broke, equally hyper sensitive, and equally stupid.Companies don't mind grade curves, they essentially want applicants to know the basics of their field or occupation.

Health insurance. I'd make sure the government never got involved in health insurance ever again. You dummies can't differentiate health care from health insurance.
What used to be affordable... became a mandatory requirement, one that has high deductibles high Co pays. What's the point in it? To keep us down? The average income from 20-35 is what 40k a year? Never mind student loans because oh you need a degree to amount to anything... There's another kick in the balls...

Colleges. I was onto them when I was in highschool touring campuses. Words like "not for profit" Yeah your book store says different. Can buy the same books on amazon via ISBN number for a third or half the price you sell them for.
Tuition. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's rain... not for profit. Reserved for (insert administrator dean etc name here) and see Mercedes, Jaguar, Landrover, Fully loaded SUVS, other luxury/performance brand 50-90k dollar table vehicles parked there. Of course not for profit. Give yourselves raises when there is a profit. I wasn't born yesterday...

You make good points in some areas but you are just ranting based on stereotypes. If you've ever worked in any customer service position you'd know that entitlement and impatience know no age or political affiliation.