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Originally Posted by Book Lover 21
I was talking to my kids about this last night. Here are their responses:
Q: How about metal detectors, reinforced doors, guards?
A: The shooter will just have someone pull the fire alarm and shoot the kids when they file outside. So those three remedies will be rendered useless.
Q: Gun control
A: The nut will just fashion a homemade bomb like the Boston Bomber. Probably set it off in the stands at a football game.
I truly believe the problem is a combination of the drugs that others have mentioned and a lack of the ability to lock someone up in a psychiatric hospital. I understand this was abused in the past. Men locking up their wives because it was convenient for them. But I think if you rely on a board of doctors and thorough examinations, this wouldn't be an issue.
The other issues, and I can't stress this enough, is the way the media makes celebrities out of these shooters. They all idealized the shooters that came before them. They kept scrapbooks of their media attention. They took note of what was the most effective way of garnering media attention.
Now those are thinking kids. Not ones that throw out knee jerk responses , mostly repeats of what the anti gunners say.
Now those are thinking kids. Not ones that throw out knee jerk responses , mostly repeats of what the anti gunners say.
One of my solution was having metal detectors .
Let me throw this out there for everybody to consider.
If you have a closed campus like we have here in California "metal detectors" will work , because you won't be able to get on the campus (to flick a fire alarm ) at a campus closed to All outsiders. At a closed campus all students faculty everybody are closed on campus after the first Bell , of course people could leave for a emergency but no one can leave and go home and bring a AR-15 back on campus.
I understand the logic of your thought process over the rate of fire, but I wouldn't want that as I use a firearm for self defense.
It's the equalizer. If you have 3 intruders breaking into your home at night it's close quarters, things happen fast. You don't want to have to fend them off with a firearm that shoots slow.
You don't want to take one out and have to yell at the others "Wait guys, I can't shoot that fast!"
What are the odds of this? You've been watching too many home security commercials. When someone wants to rob your house it is rarely when they think someone is home...and if someone is, they usually flee. And do they often go around in gangs of 3 or more? And do they often shoot back or do they run like hell - what do they care about an injured "partner in crime"?
I understand the want and need for gun owners and pro-gun folks to keep their guns and maintain easy access of obtaining new guns.
The problem, as we all know, is nutjobs obtaining these guns using them for the wrong purpose.
A good compromise would be a gun buyback program just like Austrialia did. Gun owners can keep their guns, but there’s also an incentive to turn in many money guns that don’t need to be out in the streets. No solution is perfect and plenty of mass shooters bought their guns legally. But it’s a fair compromise where both sides can get what they want for the time being.
Or we can just keep up the thoughts and prayers while nutjobs shoot up schools, Churches, and concerts.
It amazes me that intelligent people believe that disarming themselves will stop predators from preying on them. Guns aren't the problem. Predators are.
Actually, fear of the predators is the problem. People are so concerned about the boogeymen coming to get them that they decide they need to be armed to the teeth. It won't work if it is the government, a personal arsenal is not going to deter our military. It won't work if it is a serial killer, they will have the rag of chloroform over your face before you realize what is happening. It won't work on the mass murderer because you won't see them coming most of the time either.
These things are tragic and we should look at doing something practical about them but people are too worried about anything that might give the criminals more rights than them, because then how will they protect themselves.
Too bad statistically you are more likely to be shot in the head by your loved one over an affair or a nice fat life insurance policy rather than a robber. With the gun that you bought for protection. While you are sleeping. Because they thought they heard a burglar. And the loaded gun was "under your pillow". Most people relying on guns to save them from these predators are so incapable of recognizing them that they will let one sleep in the same bed as them. Ironic.
What does a big rig have to do with assult rifles or guns in general? And what doea the far right have to do with anything? This isn't a political issue. It's a legal and constitutional issue. What happens when mass shootings go down but mass bombings go up? Why don't we address the motivations and circumstances that lead someone to do this? Because it's the harder problem?
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Originally Posted by historyfan
If someone wants to do harm to others, they will find a way. I think as a country we need place more emphasis on mental health care.
My thinking is the same. For the most part, these people don't care if they're killed. It seems more along the lines of "I'm offing myself because life isn't fair, and I'm taking a few people with me." Somehow we need to change the real problem, which is a messed up mind.
(We had a school "shooting" in a Wyoming college a few years back -- 5 or 6 years iirc. Believe it or not, he used a bow and arrow from the back of the classroom. It was all he needed.)
Our city seems to have an unusually high number of teen suicides. My wife works with young people, and she says bullying is a prime reason for many lives being cut so short. I have no facts to back that up, but I'd believe it. I'd also guess there are other causes closely related to bullying -- non-acceptance of sexual orientation by peers or family, family problems, girlfriend/boyfriend problems, etc., etc. Some kids just have a horrible home life. My wife works with one young man, really a good kid, but his mother is a wacko. She actually calls the police to get him in trouble with made-up accusations. This kid is in trouble, as would any kid subjected to this mother's actions. A year ago he was making college plans, getting funding lined up. Now he's trying to get his GED because he's been booted from school in his senior year, thanks to his nutty mom's lies.
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Originally Posted by TabbyCats
It's the psychotropic meds being prescribed in increasing numbers to kids....
Imagine this: a kid fails an exam and gets abnormally depressed about it which gets mentioned to a doctor. Said kid gets prescribed a med to "help even him out". The med doesn't seem to do much or the kid even seems worse, and you'd think the logical thing would be to consider the med has made things worse, right? Oh no....the doctor will say, "we need to increase the dose." If/when that doesn't work, it's "well, we should add-in a mood stabilizer." Because now psychiatrists have created a NEW diagnosis called "treatment resistant depression." And guess what!? Yup, they have a pill for that.
Sorry to cut your words short, but you know, wouldn't all fit on page one. Excellent post. If all true and accurate, might just be THE answer we've all been searching for. Thanks for sharing.
coschristi... ditto. (Post 178) I'm thinking you guys might have found the cause. Could be, yanno.
Please post here only if you have something positive and respectful to contribute. There are already numerous other threads filled with name-calling and nonsense.
Please use logic to share your thoughts or to point out the flaws in someone else's suggestions. Share data and links whenever possible.
This thread is for people who want to maturely and rationally consider how we might make our schools and other public venues safer from mass killers.
ever heard of metal detectors?
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Excellent post. If all true and accurate, might just be THE answer we've all been searching for. 
