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WHich is why the certain populations such as the elderly should be quarantined. Does it make sense to keep a significantly larger population of youth from school in case they transmit it to their grandparents, many of whom grandparents are deceased. Parents would need to take precautions like wearing masks, gloves, etc.t.
You are way off base here. Many grandparents take CARE of their grandchildren while their parents work! So yes, it is VERY important to keep children from getting the virus.
I would also seriously question your assertion that many school-aged children have deceased grandparents.
Schools use substitutes all the time and if someone at risk chooses not to self-quarantine, then it's on them. This is largely a theoretical exercise and it will be interesting to compare to Sweden -- a country that is keeping schools open and it doesn't appear to be impractical.
In many districts, any substitutes, let alone qualified ones are difficult to come by in normal circumstances.
You are way off base here. Many grandparents take CARE of their grandchildren while their parents work! So yes, it is VERY important to keep children from getting the virus.
I would also seriously question your assertion that many school-aged children have deceased grandparents.
Again, people are cherrypicking a subset of the population, i.e., grandparents caring for children while the question is should all families pay the price so a subset of the population does not have to self-quarantine. Many children are in a formal childcare, preschool, etc. and are not cared for my grandparents. Yes, its nice that some parents have the grandparents nearby who can provide childcare but can these measures that are costing many people their jobs and keeping all children out of school be justified for that reason? This is an economic rationale so no, I am not way off base when viewed objectively. Yes, I understand some parents cannot afford to work without grandparents providing childcare but it's it better that "some parents" cannot work rather than the significant numbers who cannot work because businesses are shut down and all children are out of school.
Ok some children have deceased grandparents and some children have grandparents who do not live in the same state/county and rarely see their grandparents.
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In many districts, any substitutes, let alone qualified ones are difficult to come by in normal circumstances.
Even so, the question remains does that justify closing all districts. My husband works in a school where a teacher had to take a leave of absence -- all the teachers doubled up to cover the absence. Is this ideal, of course not but they made it work. Let's not get caught up in "some" situations where some staff may need to self-quarantine and some districts may not be able to get a substitute.
I believe the extreme measures will have been worth it, except maybe for the $2 trillion bail-out.
There are promising treatments coming along. Some are demonstrating almost full recovery rates among hundreds of patients, keeping them off ventilators, getting them out of the hospital and getting well at home. Very exciting stuff.
It's only a matter of weeks if not days before some of these protocols become widely used, controlled studies or not. Once the illness is under control, people will be getting back to work in a cautious fashion.
Vaccines are in the pipeline as well. Human trials already under way.
We're at the bottom right now. As treatments ramp up, as vaccines become approved, we'll climb out of this pit and the economy will recover strongly.
But, there's unfinished business with China. I believe the America First faction will be on top after this, especially after the Chinese threats to withhold pharmaceuticals and other medical resources. Even if it was just an idle boast, they angered Americans. People all over the social media are calling for less imports from China, more made-in-USA. It won't happen in a single year, but it will happen; moving production and manufacturing back to the US will cause an expansion in our manufacturing sector, even at the cost of higher prices.
A vaccine won't be ready to go until next summer, at the earliest, though (per info available so far). Even Russia, which is developing its own, doesn't expect to have it ready until late winter or spring.
But what's this news, about promising treatments? Could you post a link? Good news is hard to come by on this topic, so I'm ready to devour it like a hungry beast. The one young C-D member, who posted his experience in the ICU a week ago or so, said he didn't have to be put on a ventilator; intubation was enough, but barely. Still, it was a harrowing experience I hope we can all avoid.
You want good news? Take total number of deaths in the US. Divide by total number of cases. Multiply by 100. That's mortality rate. I just did it this am, it's less than 2%. That IS good news.
It will run it's course out before vaccines will be developed or, FDA will unlock its rules and release vaccine or a drug in matter of weeks. Something tells me, this will happen right after dems and reps will reach agreement on what they are fighting for right now. Then, all this will just fold down in matter of week or 2.
A vaccine won't be ready to go until next summer, at the earliest, though (per info available so far). Even Russia, which is developing its own, doesn't expect to have it ready until late winter or spring.
But what's this news, about promising treatments? Could you post a link? Good news is hard to come by on this topic, so I'm ready to devour it like a hungry beast. The one young C-D member, who posted his experience in the ICU a week ago or so, said he didn't have to be put on a ventilator; intubation was enough, but barely. Still, it was a harrowing experience I hope we can all avoid.
Thanks for posting!
Good morning.
Some good news yesterday from Johnson & Johnson, which announced that its experimental coronavirus vaccine could be ready for human testing by September, and for regular usage by early 2021. Most experts view the development of a vaccine as a critical step in conquering the virus, and getting the economy back to something approaching normal.
I think your last paragraph is a serious point of discussion.
We need to ask ourselves--seriously--how we ended up where we did with a shortage of ventilators, personal protective equipment.
No one could really have anticipated coronavirus. The last thing I would is blame anyone for failing to anticipate this particular epidemic. However, we've known for a long time that an epidemic of some sort was coming.
I analogize our position to that of a homeowner who knew that he lived in area where hailstorms were common and decided to go without homeowner's insurance. That spring, a nasty hailstorm severely damaged his roof and home. The homeowner was in dire straits and ultimately was forced to declare bankruptcy and rely on inadequate private charity.
There really is no excuse for not having many more ventilators in stock as well as piles of personal protective equipment.
I would hope when all this is over that this country would commit itself to a program to prepare for future epidemics. Let us not be caught unprepared again.
I disagree, we knew from SARS, Avian flu, H1N1, MERS and Ebola it COULD come to America and we should have had known Covid-19 or a similar novel virus could come. We also should have known that we need a national stockpile set up for these cases and also the remaining calender year to follow. It is foolish that we didn't. You are right that we didn't have the stockpile ready. Trump asked for the ventilators to be produced in the critical time we are needing them turn key in hardest hit areas.
If that happens, we will probably see annual shut downs, it will just become the norm, for certain places to shut down for 3-4 months, and stay at home orders issued.
Vaccine will not change much, look at the flu, we have had a vaccine for many years and look at the number it kills every year!
The vaccines in development for this are completely different than flu vaccine. These are not weakened versions of the virus for the body to adjust to, these are vaccines that somehow stop the way this type of virus attacks the body.
They're here. Look how quickly we developed the 5 minute test. This is what I mean when I say "CHILL, this is America."
I don't give a rat's *** about what some liberal article you cite, us being below Costa Rica in global health care. That's a joke. Would you rather have brain surgery by a doctor that makes $2MM a year here or some government doctor there? Yeah, I thought so. Why do celebrities come here from Europe for complex surgeries?
Ooooooo Bernie Sanders talking points! Healthcare isn't a right, ACCESS to it is.
Ever hear of this thing called health insurance? $12 hourly employees at my company are offered the exact same Rolls-Royce health insurance plan the execs that make millions are. And it's very inexpensive. And yes, my employer subsidizes a lot of it. That's how America works. And no, my compensation wouldn't go up one penny if I declined insurance other than the $230 bill a month I wouldn't be paying.
Bernie is done, gone forever. Get over it. The idea of socialism in the United States has been rightfully and fairly crushed. We spoke. We don't want it.
Then your company is very generous and is the exception. Many companies offer very poor insurance coverage or none at all. People go bankrupt because they cannot afford medical care- many of whom do have insurance! These are not political talking points, they are facts.
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The one young C-D member, who posted his experience in the ICU a week ago or so, said he didn't have to be put on a ventilator; intubation was enough, but barely. Still, it was a harrowing experience I hope we can all avoid. 
