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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
Didn't he test positive for it? Or did he take the test, and it came back negative? Remind me, please. In any case, he's been exposed to it, we know that much. I hope Biden's taking precautions. What if they had an election, and the candidates got sick and died? Do we hold a Round 2, and re-vet the next batch, who got sidelined the first time?
Weird situation. Don't think it couldn't happen.
yes, a weird and plausible scenario.
Both candidates and most of USA citizens will get Covid19, eventually, if without a vaccine. I am pretty fatalistic about Covid19 being of 70/73 ages. The best I can hope for is that 1) a vaccine can be developed ASAP and hopefully before I/we (USA) gets sick. This is one of the reasons for the social distancing moves and shutdowns...Buys time for vaccine and treatment development. 2) For those who will be minimally impacted 10-60 yo, it is a warning shot that the next pandemic could be aimed at them. 3) It is the function of government to be vigilant and prepare for the defense of its people whether internal or external. By extension, it falls to our elected Leader (s) to recognize threats and direct action to defend/defeat against those threats. In my day, this was the ONLY reason for Government, everything else is secondary.
Have we forgotten that old and sick people sometimes die? Are we all supposed to be immortal?
It's a matter of degree. I would gladly stand up, to give up my seat on the bus or trolley, for an elderly person who needs it more. That's a small price, and I'd gladly "pay", whether thanked or not. But as the price rises, there is no immorality or cant, in asking what level of sacrifice is merely good neighborliness and the price of partaking of civilization, and what becomes an asymmetric indulgence. I don't know where lies the answer to that. But I am appalled, that apart from what might normally be termed fringe circles, the question isn't even being asked.
Another armchair quarterback with perfect 20-20 hindsight. Since the leadership is so "terrible", presumably you enthusiastically supported the impeachment effort -- which was happening just as the virus was hitting. In fact Mr. Trump barred travelers from China exactly while the Congress was voting on whether to remove him from office. Now there's some wise lawmakers for you. Too bad those hacks weren't in power, huh? I'm sure a President Hillary or President Pelosi would have done a much better job (sarc).
The failure of leadership is enormous. I will say though that while it includes the President it also includes the Senate, the House of Representatives, and many state governors.
Stockpiles should have been created of PPE, ventilators, and other necessary medical supplies based on the notion that while this pandemic could not have been anticipated that a pandemic was coming. Than there is the whole issue of being so unprepared when it came to testing for the disease.
Plenty of explaining is still needed. Why aren't all fifty states under a "shelter in place" order? Why doesn't the president insist the remaining states join the rest? Why did the President wait so long to order additional production of ventilators? Why isn't more being done to produce PPE? Why is so much being left to state governors when we know that viruses could care less about state lines?
Now, is not the time. However, when the crisis has passed, a thorough investigation is needed. This country should never ever be caught so unprepared again.
The failure of leadership is enormous. I will say though that while it includes the President it also includes the Senate, the House of Representatives, and many state governors.
Stockpiles should have been created of PPE, ventilators, and other necessary medical supplies based on the notion that while this pandemic could not have been anticipated that a pandemic was coming. Than there is the whole issue of being so unprepared when it came to testing for the disease.
Plenty of explaining is still needed. Why aren't all fifty states under a "shelter in place" order? Why doesn't the president insist the remaining states join the rest? Why did the President wait so long to order additional production of ventilators? Why isn't more being done to produce PPE? Why is so much being left to state governors when we know that viruses could care less about state lines?
Now, is not the time. However, when the crisis has passed, a thorough investigation is needed. This country should never ever be caught so unprepared again.
Schiff has already launched one. Great minds think alike, I guess!
The country was caught off guard, as was pretty much the rest of the world. Probably the next time this kind of thing happens, we'll be much better prepared.
So President Trump has all the tests under his desk in the Oval Office?? Is that your implication?
What is he supposed to do? He can order the test kit makers to get busy but how fast they can make them is not a problem he can solve. Respirators, masks, gloves, hand sanitizer, all in short supply. No one anticipated a pandemic. Should there be warehouses full of equipment just waiting in case something breaks out? And what if the stockpile isn't the right equipment for whatever the next crisis might be?
Distilleries have abandoned making whiskey and because they have the high-proof alcohol have turned instead to making hand sanitizer. Guys in their basement workshops are experimenting with factoring respirators. Scientists are struggling to find a vaccine. Health care workers are putting their own health on the line every day to help those sick and dying.
And then, and then, we have those who have nothing to contribute except another jab at President Trump. Hmmm.
The bolded actually isn't true. A pandemic was anticipated, and Trump was told about it in the early part of his administration, but he slashed funding to the CDC, and withdrew the CDC's man-on-the-ground in China, who was working with epidemiologists there, anyway. I can't even remember all the actions he took, that hobbled the response potential, at this point. In any case, a global pandemic had been anticipated even before he was elected.
Schiff has already launched one. Great minds think alike, I guess!
The country was caught off guard, as was pretty much the rest of the world. Probably the next time this kind of thing happens, we'll be much better prepared.
Word has it, that the UN had run through some exercises to practice how to manage a global pandemic in 2019. For example, they produced this document on what to do: https://hr.un.org/sites/hr.un.org/fi...19-03-07_0.pdf
There was no reason for the world to be caught off-guard. The point of the UN work in this regard in 2019 was: preparedness.
11 March 2019 Health
A new UN-led plan has been unveiled to tackle the estimated one billion cases of influenza which occur each year, and protect against the “real” threat of a global pandemic, the head of the organization’s health agency said on Monday.
Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 04-03-2020 at 10:43 PM..
@OP
Yes, it is worth it.
This is a real life test on USA and World's ability to coup with a crisis.
JMO, it tests Leadership and the depth of the existing preparedness from the Leadership's closest advisers, WestWing directors, department heads, on down to the lowest soldier. We have seen poor advice and poor leadership. We have seen good advice and good leadership. Can we improve on it?
JMO, this particular crisis its seniors and less prepared countries hard but did not hurt the most productive members of society. Perhaps the next crisis will?
We don't know what changed DJT's mind and got him into gear. We'd like to think he came to the realization that he is the most affected person in this crisis: +70yo, overweight, probably high BP, and a near probability of 1.0 to get this virus, unless action is taken. Seems odd, that a national shutdown, will increase his chances of not getting CorVid19, damage the economy , yet ultimately save his legacy.
JMO.
YMMV
wait until, the next Pandemic, Rising oceans, Droughts, or the Zombie Apocalypse #1.
What DJT hasn't told us is that although Peak Deaths may be "at" April 30, the fat tail of this crisis assumes the continual tight social distancing protocol to at least June.
PS, with all these daily updates by DJT, we have noticed a marked improvement in his speaking and reading skills
People just assume our govt is telling us everything right now too!! LOL
I guarantee, there are details to this, that they are NOT disclosing to the public at this time!!
Do some reading on FEMA protocols for national crisis's and what steps they take and what they are allowed to do during such times!
So IF the final U.S. death toll from COVID-19 turns out to be about 150,000 (or less), if you figure in the despair of those who lost their jobs or businesses and might not recover, the possible violence due to shortages, the increased domestic abuse resulting from people being forced to stay home to some extent, medical personnel losing their lives because of caring for the sick, the stress and worry about loved ones, and the trillions of dollars that taxpayers will end up paying -- and also knowing that the usual number of deaths annually in the U.S. is about 3,000,000 -- do you think the extreme measures taken to prevent possibly hundreds of thousands more deaths will have been worth it?
BTW, you will never get a satisfactory answer to this question.
Another way to look at the same number (assuming 130,000 die) that is how many extra deaths the census bureau expected to see four years from now based on the aging of the population.
Americans lost 53,402 due to combat deaths in WWI, and in a single month (October 1918) 195,000 Americans died from the pandemic. In 1918 more Americans died from "cytokine storm syndrome" CSS which takes the people with the strongest immune system, the young and the healthy, instead of the old and sick. Covid-19 is taking a small percentage of people by CSS, so you hear about 30 year olds dying with no history of health problems.
Everyone with an education knew that something like Covid-19 was coming sooner or later.
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