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Old 04-05-2020, 04:17 PM
 
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It's happened in China. I'm not sure about Korea. Health experts in the US have speculated, that those cases weren't true re-infection, but that they were examples of people never completely recovering, and experiencing a relapse. So we don't know for sure. I stopped following that particular issue a couple of weeks ago. but I keep coming across mention, that immunity isn't guaranteed, and is a bit of a wild card.

Hopefully the vaccine testing they've begun now on humans will clarify the issue.
Given all the faulty tests I wouldn’t be surprised if they were false negatives.

I don’t trust any stories or numbers coming from China. Zero.
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Old 04-05-2020, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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I'm not reading 25 pages so I assume this has been covered but my answer is yes because without the sacrifices the number could have been 3-4X that figure.
Yup. That’s the perverse nature of something like this...if it works, we’ll almost wonder what we got our collective panties/boxers in a twist for.
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Old 04-05-2020, 05:48 PM
 
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Not worth it. Total shut down of businesses has basically killed the housing market and other industries. I am biased since I work in housing. Mortgagee industry over one week mirrored 2008-2009 crisis. This has tightened lending guidelines, rates have increased and many loan programs and even people about close on a home with financing were cancelled. - check headlines from HousingWire, L.A. Times, OCRegister.

Why are these deaths so concerning below:

actual Data by Worldometer (below) 4-05-2020

74,900 - Deaths TODAY !!!
14,100 - Died of hunger TODAY !!!
220,127 - Deaths caused by water related diseases this year
127,104 - Seasonal flu deaths THIS YEAR
1,986,911 - Deaths of children under 5 this year
80,796 - Deaths of mothers during birth this year
439,429 - Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year
2,146,853 - Deaths caused by cancer this year
256,402 - Deaths caused by malaria this year
1,306,744 - Deaths caused by smoking this year
653,784 - Deaths caused by alcohol this year
280,311 - Suicides this year
352,862 - Road traffic accident fatalities this year
68,500 - deaths from Covid-19 this year

- Depression affects 20-25% of Americans ages 18+ in a given year. (CDC)
- Suicide takes the lives of over 44,965 Americans every year. (CDC)
- Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day. One million die every year.
- HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day
- Snakes kill 137 people every day.


We don't nor do other countries don't stay indoors from possible mosquito bites. people should be forced to take proper precautions in public, distancing, sanitizing and get to work. argument is you can be a carrier and infect your grandparent or at-risk people at home. well, did you know that it can e transmitted by air too from an ocean breeze on the beach? yes you take all precautions but it can still blow onto your parked car, trees, or front door, windows, backyard, if you live near a lake, beach, or river according to a scientist in a recent yahoo article.

So these extreme safety measure seem futile to close businesses for 2 or 3 months. 4-6 weeks is okay & enough.
I think the media has duped us with their fear-mongering of how bad it will get.


Are any of the deaths "this year" in the categories above not alarming or more alarming.
Oh, because it is a third-world country it is not relevant for our over-caring media to even mention.
- 14,000 dying of hunger in one day !!!
- 220,000 dying form water-related diseases !!

As you can we haven't even solved AIDs or mosquito deaths. Those numbers are staggering/shocking.

All we can do is be safe, clean, ask our at-risk people to eat healthy diets, clean, clean, clean and distance from them while inside. Families and regular people are suffering. what is a one or two $1,200 checks going to do for someone who normally makes $3,000-$10,000 a month? Nada. This will make tens of millions of people (families, marriages) suffer in our country and worldwide. This has taken away income for self-employed people for at least 3 months.

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Old 04-05-2020, 06:55 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Yeah, the service economy is toast. If you really want someone to polish your toenails, you are SOL. If you make your living polishing toenails, you are SOL. Service jobs are always the first shed in a downturn. Service workers all know that. It's the bottom line of working in a service economy.
NYC is based largely on the service economy; Broadway, tourism, law and finance. At a certain point having clothes dry cleaned and hair cut is important. And construction, other than private works was initially allowed, then forbidden. Even tennis is not allowed. Try playing tennis within six feet of your partner or opponent and you'll get walloped worse than by the coronavirus.
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Old 04-05-2020, 06:57 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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He's not discussing the crisis. He's spinning on behalf of the denialists and opposing everything done to mitigate it.

Early on he was claiming that the virus wasn't real and was just being made up by China for political reasons:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/57188907-post449.html

You'll get nothing but deliberate nonsense from him.
I will absolutely concede that I was wrong early on. As far as what's happened since mid-March, that is drama and theater; except it's not funny or amusing. Real people are losing their jobs and their savings. Nothing funny about that.
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Old 04-05-2020, 07:00 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Not worth it. Total shut down of businesses has basically killed the housing market and other industries. ***************
actual Data by Worldometer (below) 4-05-2020

74,900 - Deaths TODAY !!!
14,100 - Died of hunger TODAY !!!
**************
280,311 - Suicides this year
352,862 - Road traffic accident fatalities this year
68,500 - deaths from Covid-19 this year
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So these extreme safety measure seem futile to close businesses for 2 or 3 months. 4-6 weeks is okay & enough.
I think the media has duped us with their fear-mongering of how bad it will get.

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As you can we haven't even solved AIDs or mosquito deaths. Those numbers are staggering/shocking.

All we can do is be safe, clean, ask our at-risk people to eat healthy diets, clean, clean, clean and distance from them while inside. Families and regular people are suffering. what is a one or two $1,200 checks going to do for someone who normally makes $3,000-$10,000 a month? Nada. This will make tens of millions of people (families, marriages) suffer in our country and worldwide. This has taken away income for self-employed people for at least 3 months.
That says it all.
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Old 04-05-2020, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I have a friend who is a real estate broker. She has closed three homes in the last two weeks. She is using masks and sanitizer to show homes. People with no secure place are eager to buy. Financing has not been a problem.
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Old 04-05-2020, 08:22 PM
 
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Those places "calm" the population. Can you cite a single case of virus exposure at a liquor store?
Alcohol kills germs
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Old 04-05-2020, 11:14 PM
 
Location: NYC
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If you think about 150,000 death is still less than Influenza deaths in the US which is about 300k+ per flu season. We can making a huge deal about COVID-19 but we never even blinked at the influenza deaths.
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Old 04-05-2020, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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If you think about 150,000 death is still less than Influenza deaths in the US which is about 300k+ per flu season. We can making a huge deal about COVID-19 but we never even blinked at the influenza deaths.
That flu number has got to be wrong. Here's a comparison between the two in just one state, Washington.

"Officials reported 91 flu deaths in Washington in the 2019-2020 flu season, which started in October, while 291 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in Washington since this January."
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