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Old 06-21-2020, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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In World War II, the light cruiser USS Columbia flew the Confederate Navy jack for the duration of the war. Probably wouldn't happen today.
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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One thing that has been left out of the conversation is when symbols of the Confederacy started to show up. Most of them showed up after periods of civil unrest. After Reconstruction and during the Civil Rights Movement. That timing wasn’t accidental. That was meant to be a show of white supremacy.

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Old 06-21-2020, 02:53 PM
 
Location: California
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The American Flag is the only flag of note in the USA. All others are just decorations.
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Old 06-22-2020, 05:50 AM
 
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The same crowd that demands the utmost respect of the American flag ("Because U.S. soldiers DIED for that flag!") waves the battle flag - or makes excuses for its wavers - flown by people who killed hundreds of thousands of U.S. soldiers.

The same crowd that memorializes Davis and Lee with statues and holidays - traitors who didn't want to be a part of the United States and who killed U.S. soldiers to that end - loathes Jane Fonda for posing on an NVA anti-aircraft gun*.

The same crowd that waves the Confederate flag while bleating "But, muh heritage!" would have precisely zero use for an American waving the hammer and sickle of the USSR just because his father had served in the Red Army or the rising sun of Japan just because his grandfather sailed in the IJN.

The same crowd that thinks Colin Kaepernick** should be blacklisted from the NFL for kneeling during the pre-game song ("It's disrespectful to the memory of the FALLEN!") thinks it's just fine to fly the banner flown by those who massacred surrendering black Union troops (along with the white Union officers commanding them) at Ft. Pillow.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

*Nope, no apologies for Fonda from me. I think what she did was reprehensible. But I also don't honor dead Confederates. I'm consistent.

**Also, this crowd tends to decry 'cancel culture', yet they demand the cancellation of Kaepernick, not to mention Fonda.
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Old 06-24-2020, 10:59 PM
 
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We should not eradicate history, just because some find it offensive. Eradicating history removes it from the minds of those who shall live in the future. And then, history can repeat itself. We should not forget.
You're right. The Confederate Flag should be in a museum with other items teaching us about racism, our past, and other horrible things that have happened. It shouldn't be proudly displayed. If you think it should, you should probably at a Swastika to your mix of flags too.
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Old 06-26-2020, 08:05 PM
 
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In World War II, the light cruiser USS Columbia flew the Confederate Navy jack for the duration of the war. Probably wouldn't happen today.
It should have neve flown from that cruiser in the first place.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It should have neve flown from that cruiser in the first place.

Different era, different attitudes.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:30 AM
 
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Different era, different attitudes.
I don't care. Segregation and Jim Crow were the rules back in the 1940s. No excuses from me. Period.
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Old 07-02-2020, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You're right. The Confederate Flag should be in a museum with other items teaching us about racism, our past, and other horrible things that have happened. It shouldn't be proudly displayed. If you think it should, you should probably at a Swastika to your mix of flags too.
I don't have a problem with the Confederate flag being displayed in a museum, as should anybody.... however, I also don't understand why it (as well as Confederate monuments) can't be displayed in public places. They *are* a part of history, like it or not, and they do typically have relevance to the places where they are displayed historically, for better or worse. They are merely reminders of history, not objects for extremists to rally around. For that reason, I do not at all get the movement to tear them all down or ban them from public areas.
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Old 07-02-2020, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I don't have a problem with the Confederate flag being displayed in a museum, as should anybody.... however, I also don't understand why it (as well as Confederate monuments) can't be displayed in public places. They *are* a part of history, like it or not, and they do typically have relevance to the places where they are displayed historically, for better or worse. They are merely reminders of history, not objects for extremists to rally around. For that reason, I do not at all get the movement to tear them all down or ban them from public areas.
Here is the question I have for you. As I mentioned up thread, these were mostly put up not to acknowledge history, but as a response to the civil rights movement. And most are in places that have zero ties to the Civil War or confederate history. Like the north or midwest. So why are they on public property and not a museum or something else? Are these monuments being placed where it makes sense to acknowledge this history or is it a symbol of something else? Most of the time it is being used as a symbol of something else.
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