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Old 06-29-2020, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Originally Posted by Count David View Post
Look at some of their salaries though:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand.../#78ecd1bbcb1a
its obvious money doesn't solve the problem, police in the UK make $40k.
the agitators are not interested in solving anything, they want to destroy America period.

 
Old 06-29-2020, 05:27 AM
 
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its obvious money doesn't solve the problem, police in the UK make $40k.
the agitators are not interested in solving anything, they want to destroy America period.
I myself do agree you would get more qualified people if they paid more. Especially now when the risk are so much greater. But for years all police depts have reported having trouble finding enough qualified black police officers. Which is one of the problems blacks said we had years ago. And they have even lowered standards besides with affirmative action.

And you cant be forced to lower standards and then turn around and complain the standards are not high enough.

The excuses and demands seem to change with the seasons. Always looking for a new one instead of the real problems.

Just like just as many black cops are involved in shootings. But for years blacks have said other blacks cant be racist. But now black police can.
 
Old 06-29-2020, 09:52 PM
 
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a 1 week experiment of 24 college students?

There are very few higher-stress jobs than LEO. It can be life or death. An ER doc or surgeon? Sure, somebody's life hangs in the balance, but generally the provider is in clear control of the patient (anesthesia, if nothing else). LEO are NOT in control of the situation either until they are by subduing, or the person they're called to see willingly complies.

Do a % - could be 5, could be 20 - of them show signs of psychologically being unable to handle that stress AND that responsibility? Of course they do. So the point is identifying them and either correcting them or getting rid of them appropriately - could be off the force/out of the business, could be more training.
Yes...the fact they all broke down so fast and started to abuse the power they had over the students playing the role of inmates,was shocking to me!!


They strange part about it, they didnt even realize what was happening to them, as it happened!


I would bet if the same experiment was attempted today, with all new students, the results would be the exact same.
 
Old 06-30-2020, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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All you have to do is look at just one city. Baltimore murder rates are way up after the BLM demands of less policing.

Spread that across the country and you easily have thousands more killed each year.
this is what I questioned ...

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In many US cities, low income minority neighborhoods are often served by middle class whites police officers who live deep in the suburbs and have very little social connection to the areas they police.
 
Old 06-30-2020, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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This is a little old. But in many cities a large share of the cops live outside the city. That is especially true of white officers. For example, in Detroit only 8 percent of white officers lived in the city.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...es-they-serve/

Some cities use a residency requirement to get a higher percent of it's officers living in the city.

It's also the case in many cities, the police forces are whiter than they city itself. For example Baltimore actually has more white officers than black officers despite the fact the city is like 3 to 1 black to white.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/marylan...7ji-story.html
Baltimore is 63% black 30% white, which is 2-1, according to this: Baltimore, MD Population and Races - USA.com™

I doubt many disagree that a community should be reflected in its civil servants, whenever possible. It's not a mirror image, which would mean quotas. But what might work for Baltimore might be very different for say Detroit. Still, actual information and research can be conducted to see where there are similarities and "pilot programs" that can be used elsewhere.
 
Old 06-30-2020, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Do you even watch the news?
Of course it is about race. Do you see any police officers attacked or threatened when they need to arrest or shoot a white person. Even if this happens the most in the US.

Do you see a police officer surrounded by angry people when they go into an area and try to arrest someone?
It is just one race that is demanding less policing. Complaining to many in jail since with more police the more chances of criminal caught.
Minority areas have a much higher crime rate so much more dangerous for police. According to FBI stats our minority population is many times more likely to commit a violent crime compared to whites or Asians.

With the way things are now they cannot even be sure if they are allowed to defend themselves. Much less try to catch criminals.
And since there will be more criminal that are now emboldened it will be much more dangerous for a cop.

And it is different in a black area. One of the worst things you can do is what just they call snitching.
So criminals are more safe there.

To other races they may not like snitching in some cases but it is not considered normal or the most important thing.
It is more important to keep their communities safe and killers of the streets. The main reason crimes have a much higher rate of being solved in a white area. They have help from the community and witnesses are much more likely to consider it their duty and help the police. Leads from witnesses are a huge reason police solve crimes.

This is just part of their culture. Plenty of studies and reports done that document this. And if you talk to any police officer white or black they will confirm.

And polls show even most black people dont want to live in a black area since the schools decline and the high crime rate.

And you think it makes no difference to cop which area he would choose to work in?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore...lice-clearance
At first blush, I only disagree with one thing you said, bolded above. What % of the protestors aren't black?

The difference here is:

"Police won't want to work in minority communities" - thread title

vs

"Police won't want to work in crime-riddled neighborhoods where they get little community cooperation, and these happen to be minority neighborhoods." - your answer
 
Old 06-30-2020, 07:50 AM
 
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its obvious money doesn't solve the problem, police in the UK make $40k.
the agitators are not interested in solving anything, they want to destroy America period.
Of course money is part of the solution. Why do CEO's in our largest corporations earn salaries in the millions of dollars (or tens of millions of dollars)? Its because they are judged as adding that kind of value to the corporation. The same is true for any job or occupation. Dollars tend to allocate resources and the best people tend to pursue opportunities that will result in the highest incomes.

Try the reverse and see how well that works out. Cut salaries for police and see how many well trained, well educated, and competent officers that you get.
 
Old 06-30-2020, 10:01 AM
 
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At first blush, I only disagree with one thing you said, bolded above. What % of the protestors aren't black?

The difference here is:

"Police won't want to work in minority communities" - thread title

vs

"Police won't want to work in crime-riddled neighborhoods where they get little community cooperation, and these happen to be minority neighborhoods." - your answer

Dont know the percent and get you point. But that is only recently. When you look at the first protest in Baltimore it was a very small percentage. Now people want something to feel self righteous about. European have always said this about Americans.

And the others protesting seem to be protesting about racism and think that is the same as BLM.
And dont even realize the main demands of BLM. And plenty of info in the news about how many have died from the demand of less policing. But the media on TV does not want to report this.

And reports since baltimore that most police departments cant find enough qualified blacks to represent the population. Even when they are allowed lower standards with affirmative action.

But same thing with doctors, lets hope they dont lower standards there.

But I agree the very best thing is to have all jobs represent % of population. But that would then be called racist if lets say the US goverment refused to hire more since they are over represented there with jobs.

And remember Baltimore. I have heard a lot blacks themselves cant be racist.
But just about everyone involved was black.
President
US attorney general ( highest law enforcement in the land)
Mayor
District attorney
Police chief
Cop ( the one cop that was held as the most responsible for the guy killed )

Also to show how the media can change the facts. Try to google and find a chart on how many blacks killed by police in other countries.
You will find 100 things before you can find a true one. They will first show charts and manipulate the data. Like just show with wealthy countries or something. To hide the fact they police kill more blacks in black countries.

Took me still awhile to find one that just list the facts with no political agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ers_by_country
 
Old 07-01-2020, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Why would cities with large non-white populations not hire non-white cops? Problem solved.

The number of cops quitting is an indication of who shouldn't have been cops in the first place. They assume since they have their license they can get a job anywhere, but that may not be the case in the future. A national database of cops who have been disciplined for excessive violence will shuck the bad apples pretty fast.
 
Old 07-01-2020, 06:40 AM
 
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Why would cities with large non-white populations not hire non-white cops? Problem solved.

The number of cops quitting is an indication of who shouldn't have been cops in the first place. They assume since they have their license they can get a job anywhere, but that may not be the case in the future. A national database of cops who have been disciplined for excessive violence will shuck the bad apples pretty fast.
Because they would have to lower the standards even more to get ones that qualify. When people are complaining we need even higher standards. With affirmative action they are allowed lower test scores. You would have to allow people with criminal records.
https://www.chicagoreporter.com/more...o-finish-line/

The number quitting is the opposite of what you say.
All the good ones in their right mind are the ones that will quit. And not recommend the job to anyone.
No one cares when they are killed anymore. A cop is much more likely to be killed by a black than a black by a cop.

And police cant even protect themselves anymore. I remember one case back in the Ferguson days. A black pulled a gun and tried to shoot a cop. Cop then pulled his gun next. The black guys gun misfired the cop fired and killed the guy. And there were protest over this.
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