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No, that never works. Poor people who live in much denser cities and rural areas tend to have more children, not fewer.
That's one of the things that killed the rising demographics of the Soviet Union, E. Germany (under the USSR), China - & probably other places. Under forced industrialization, rural farmers were forced off the land & into the cities, to work in factories & live in pigeonhole apartments. Sometimes many to an apartment, with hardly any privacy & hardly any room to conceive, bear & raise children. & certainly not more than 1 or 2, in any event - unless you were one of the top dogs.
In China, it's worse. They underwent the same rural to city process, plus young unattached women are preferred for light assembly industries. Men are not preferred for that, & the two genders hardly meet, let alone court & marry. They live in huge dormitories, separated by gender. & even then, the genders of the same age cohort may live in different provinces, & move in vastly different circles.
WHO and UNICEF....they're already doing this. It's in the vaccines....or so suggests the Conference of Catholic Bishops in Kenya. Fertility is decreased in young females who are forced into special "Tetanus vaccines" specifically for young women.....5 jabs over 2 yrs and aimed only at childbearing-age women. Tests confirmed those vaccines tested positive for the HCG antigen, an anti-fertility agent. If there's not enough money at the UN to pay for the vaccines, the Gates Foundation steps up to make up the difference. Countries like Kenya are encouraged to participate in these vaccine drives or their AIDS relief money will be affected.
There was never any contraceptive in the tetanus vaccine.
HCG is not an "anti-fertility antigen". It is a hormone produced in large quantities during pregnancy and is actually used to help some infertile women get pregnant.
Propagating such misinformation helps no one and has the potential for great harm, such as infants dying from tetanus because their mothers did not get the vaccine.
"If that sounds counterintuitive, think about how life might have changed after half of Europe’s population died off. Suddenly there was a dramatic drop in the number of able-bodied adults available to do work, which meant survivors could charge more for their labor. At the same time, fewer people meant a decreased demand for foods, goods and housing—and as a result, the prices for all three dropped. By the late 15th century, real wages were three times higher than they were at the beginning of the 14th century, before the plague struck. Diets improved as employers were forced to raise wages and offer extra food and clothing to attract workers. As a result, the money spent per capita on food in the wake of the Black Death actually increased. 'People were able to eat more meat and high-quality bread, which in turn would have improved health,' says DeWitte."
Plague also gave a boost to literacy, by making paper cheaper:
"True enough that an overabundance of clothing triggered the massive surge in printed materials during the Middle Ages. However, the surplus was not limited to underwear, it was all manner of clothing. The Black Death killed so many people that enormous piles of clothing accumulated practically everywhere in Europe. Suddenly the raw material for rag paper became available to everyone left. This phenomenon is documented in Barbara Tuchman's masterful history of the Black Death "A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century."
It would VASTLY improve quality of life. People need to stop thinking children are a necessity and stop having them because society says you should. Especially when you can't afford them.
Who will take care of you in your old age? Are you willing to let Big Brother take over the duties of a loving family? I'm sure that will work out as well as any other Big Govt program.
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This is the thing that most people don't get. Looking at scientifically validated facts is not looking at the world through a negative lens.
Sure looking at the world through rose colored glasses is what most prefer, but us scientists prefer to look at the world through objective reality. There is nothing negative about that at all.
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Good philosophy..You should practice what you preach: you stated nothing but disinformation in your tedious post.
Eg-- 8million species on the planet, with an average "life expectancy" of a species is 1 million yrs. We would expect, therefore, about 8 to go extinct each year....In fact, only 200 species have gone extinct in the last 400 years-- a rate of 0.5 species per year... We're actually finding dozens of new species each year (Maybe those Creationists are right?)...Don't confuse extirpation (local eradication of a population due to loss of habitat) with entire species extinction.
I don't want to open the GW can of worms, but a point of logic: here in the Midwest, the yearly swing in temps is from -30deg to +100 deg. Do you really think a rise of 2degF over a century (0.13degC/yr--within the margin of error, BTW) is going to affect anything? (Workers of the World, Unite!)
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It did after the Black Plague:
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An over-simplification. The worst yrs of the Plague corresponded to the cold end of the 500yr weather cycle. All the pictures show everyone in hoodies. (They couldn't all have been in gangs.) It gave rise to the Hansel & Gretl story: cold weather led to poor crops and not infrequently parents were forced to abandon the youngest of the brood in the forest....Weather improved in the Renaissance yrs and civilization flourished....The plague was given a boost in the cold weather because people huddled together more and the fleas took advantage of that.
An obvious error in the guy's thinking is the bit about labor demand/wages-- people were feudal peasant farmers for the most part and didn't have wage paying jobs.
An over-simplification. The worst yrs of the Plague corresponded to the cold end of the 500yr weather cycle. All the pictures show everyone in hoodies. (They couldn't all have been in gangs.) It gave rise to the Hansel & Gretl story: cold weather led to poor crops and not infrequently parents were forced to abandon the youngest of the brood in the forest....Weather improved in the Renaissance yrs and civilization flourished....The plague was given a boost in the cold weather because people huddled together more and the fleas took advantage of that.
An obvious error in the guy's thinking is the bit about labor demand/wages-- people were feudal peasant farmers for the most part and didn't have wage paying jobs.
The next question is how much smaller? Or what is the ideal population?
One country number at a time.
wrt the US... when was the last time you recall things where the balance seemed about right to you?
The older you are the farther back you're likely to go.
Could they [WHO] not sub-contract with a non-Indian or Chinese manufacturer, using a non-disclosure agreement.?
Secretly dosing a population with contraceptives? That doesn't fit into WHO's mission. The US is steadily abandoning its international treaties & agreements & financial contributions, over the last 20 years. WHO is probably on the list already.
You might find a manufacturer who would produce the stuff.
See Bottle of lies : the inside story of the generic drug boom / Katherine Eban, c2019, HarperCollins Publishers, 615.1 EBAN.
Subjects
Generic drugs -- Quality control.
Drug adulteration.
Pharmaceutical industry -- Corrupt practices -- United States.
Drugs, Generic -- standards.
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Katherine Eban's Bottle of Lies exposes the deceit behind generic-drug manufacturing--and the attendant risks for global health. Drawing on exclusive accounts from whistleblowers and regulators, as well as thousands of pages of confidential FDA documents, Eban reveals an industry where fraud is rampant, companies routinely falsify data, and executives circumvent almost every principle of safe manufacturing to minimize cost and maximize profit, confident in their ability to fool inspectors. Meanwhile, patients unwittingly consume medicine with unpredictable and dangerous effects. The story of generic drugs is truly global. It connects middle America to China, India, sub-Saharan Africa and Brazil, and represents the ultimate litmus test of globalization: what are the risks of moving drug manufacturing offshore, and are they worth the savings?" -- Amazon.com
A terrifying overview of generic drugs – their history, promise & how they’re compromised out in the real world of manufacturing under profit pressure.
Of course, any outfit that bent would probably try to blackmail the buyer. & an NDC wouldn't provide much legal cover, TMK. Once you're into criminal activity, the courts tend to come down very hard - & that's assuming that the courts would be the arena of choice.
I would think that the affected nations would prefer direct action.
In many countries - including the United States - there is an economic model wherein the generation that is currently the workforce supports the previous retired generation. That works great so long as the population keeps growing. But like a pyramid scheme, it has to come to an end sometime. It is unsustainable. Because, math.
Can a stable population be achieved? Of course. The West is rich beyond its needs. But it will require some changes. That said, every generation has more wealth and more 'stuff' than the one that went before it. Even when this is obscure to those who don't look close*, it is so.
Imagine a world with 100 million people. This would allow a great diversity of place-types in which to live, while still setting off much of the planet to sustain the global ecosystem that supports us all. But that's a long ways (ie, centuries) off, even in theory.
*Example: automobiles. "But they used to be cheaper!", cry some. Sure, to walk home with a new one. But today's automobiles perform far better than those of the past. The comforts - climate, media, ergonomics, the ride - are exponentially better. Maintenance is cheaper. And the average automobile today lasts much longer than models from previous generations.
In other words, a Ponzi scheme.
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