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I'm only posting this because we're close to election day. Otherwise, i think this is generally old hat, well proven many times in the past. The only difference, this deals with mail-in ballots exclusively.
Stanford has a new paper studying Washington State which has voted 100% by mail for several election cycles.....
In August of 2020,Donald Trump Jr. claimed on Twitter, citing a Breitbart article, that 8% of all votes inthe Michigan primary were cast using dead people’s mail-in ballots.2
2 https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...36236034?s=203
Quote:
Among roughly 4.5 million distinct voters in Washington state between 2011 and 2018, we estimate that there are 14 deceased individuals whose ballots might have been cast suspiciously long after their death, representing 0.0003% of voters.
Old joke: a guy is seen on his hands and knees, patting along in the grass on the parkway under the light of a street lamp. A passerby inquires what he's doing?-- Looking for my keys.....Are you sure you lost them here?--- Oh, no. I lost them up the block a ways, but the light is better here.
If they found only 14 votes, maybe they were looking in the wrong spots. That's the problem with proving voter fraud. If it was easy to find, they would have been prevented it in the first place.
The political hacks in WA are amateurs. Try some place like Chicago, where they've been perfecting the technique for 150 yrs...In fact, rank & file of Al Qaeda didn't believe Osama bin Laden had really been killed until they saw his name appear on the Cook County Voter Registration List....14 dead voters in all of WA? Heck, Barack Obama, when he was coming up as a Block Captain for the Dem Party in Chicago, cast more votes than that on just his own block every election.
The real point here is that, while any single technique for voter fraud may account for only a fraction of a per cent in total votes cast, the wholesale dispersal of unrequested ballots adds yet another facile source for fraud. Add them all together, and in a state like, say, WI, where Trump won by only a 0.7% margin, it may become decisive.
The academics of the argument aside, the REAL reason the Dems are so enthralled with the increased mail -in encouragement is to ensure an atmosphere of doubt on the outcome of this coming election should Trump win again. Chaos will ensue in the courts. There will be increased incentive to riot in the streets and de-legitimize a second Trump term....While courts are sorting it out, it will appear that there will be resistance to setting up a transition process, making it look like Trump is refusing to leave office...
What about those with dementia exercising their right to vote?
Some with advanced dementia might not be able to comprehend the act of voting, they don't even know their own name nor recognize their family members. How they suppose to understand who is who they are voting for? Since they have people helping them to vote, there is big probability their vote might actually represent the views of those assisting them. If an individual cannot express a voting preference, then any vote by that person is not really a vote by that person. That will also include any adults with diagnosed profound mental retardation ...
It seems like those most insistent on the 'sudden need' for everyone with a pulse to vote by mail - in this election, ... are also those least in favor of voter registration or any type of verification. Absentee ballots are NOT the same thing as mass ballot mailings. At least with absentee ballots, registered voters must make the effort to request a ballot.
Millions have already made the effort to go to the polls and vote in person (in spite of COVID-19). The efforts to push the dates for accepting ballots way out -- and/or accept every/any ballot, regardless of source, rings hollow for fair-minded Americans who don't want the 'right to vote' manipulated for political gain. The concern about 'dead people voting' is only a distraction from the real issue of ballot-box stuffing or 'lost' ballots.
Unless there is a landslide victory, my guess is that this election will carry-over into December (or go to the SCOTUS), because of these issues.
Tricks like this were, are and will be done every election. That's what elections are for. It was SOP across entire human history.
If you want my opinion, it all does not matter.
What really matters, is who has REAL power. Certainly, y'all know well, that both in question are simply fronts for powers behind them.
Power behind one of them already showed its capacity last election.
thus, here's definition - unorthodox - of real power.
People, who have real power, are those, who can control results of elections.
Key word is - RESULTS. Not process, not propaganda. RESULTS.
Thus, we are close enough to find out, who has real power in the country.
As Joseph Stalin said once - it does not matter, how they vote. What matters, is how they count.
What about those with dementia exercising their right to vote?
Some with advanced dementia might not be able to comprehend the act of voting, they don't even know their own name nor recognize their family members. How they suppose to understand who is who they are voting for? Since they have people helping them to vote, there is big probability their vote might actually represent the views of those assisting them. If an individual cannot express a voting preference, then any vote by that person is not really a vote by that person. That will also include any adults with diagnosed profound mental retardation ...
Not sure that issue becomes any better or worse when voting is restricted to mail-in only.
Old joke: a guy is seen on his hands and knees, patting along in the grass on the parkway under the light of a street lamp. A passerby inquires what he's doing?-- Looking for my keys.....Are you sure you lost them here?--- Oh, no. I lost them up the block a ways, but the light is better here.
If they found only 14 votes, maybe they were looking in the wrong spots. That's the problem with proving voter fraud. If it was easy to find, they would have been prevented it in the first place.
The political hacks in WA are amateurs. Try some place like Chicago, where they've been perfecting the technique for 150 yrs...In fact, rank & file of Al Qaeda didn't believe Osama bin Laden had really been killed until they saw his name appear on the Cook County Voter Registration List....14 dead voters in all of WA? Heck, Barack Obama, when he was coming up as a Block Captain for the Dem Party in Chicago, cast more votes than that on just his own block every election.
The real point here is that, while any single technique for voter fraud may account for only a fraction of a per cent in total votes cast, the wholesale dispersal of unrequested ballots adds yet another facile source for fraud. Add them all together, and in a state like, say, WI, where Trump won by only a 0.7% margin, it may become decisive.
The academics of the argument aside, the REAL reason the Dems are so enthralled with the increased mail -in encouragement is to ensure an atmosphere of doubt on the outcome of this coming election should Trump win again. Chaos will ensue in the courts. There will be increased incentive to riot in the streets and de-legitimize a second Trump term....While courts are sorting it out, it will appear that there will be resistance to setting up a transition process, making it look like Trump is refusing to leave office...
Can you please list all the techniques available for voter fraud when dealing with mail-in ballots only.
Tricks like this were, are and will be done every election. That's what elections are for. It was SOP across entire human history.
If you want my opinion, it all does not matter.
What really matters, is who has REAL power. Certainly, y'all know well, that both in question are simply fronts for powers behind them.
Power behind one of them already showed its capacity last election.
thus, here's definition - unorthodox - of real power.
People, who have real power, are those, who can control results of elections.
Key word is - RESULTS. Not process, not propaganda. RESULTS.
Thus, we are close enough to find out, who has real power in the country.
As Joseph Stalin said once - it does not matter, how they vote. What matters, is how they count.
It seems like those most insistent on the 'sudden need' for everyone with a pulse to vote by mail - in this election, ... are also those least in favor of voter registration or any type of verification. Absentee ballots are NOT the same thing as mass ballot mailings. At least with absentee ballots, registered voters must make the effort to request a ballot.
Millions have already made the effort to go to the polls and vote in person (in spite of COVID-19). The efforts to push the dates for accepting ballots way out -- and/or accept every/any ballot, regardless of source, rings hollow for fair-minded Americans who don't want the 'right to vote' manipulated for political gain. The concern about 'dead people voting' is only a distraction from the real issue of ballot-box stuffing or 'lost' ballots.
Unless there is a landslide victory, my guess is that this election will carry-over into December (or go to the SCOTUS), because of these issues.
I think you're letting your emotions get the better of you. There isn't a "sudden need" there's an option to satisfy a want.
I'm unaware of any attempts to permit voting without registration. Please supply some evidence.
Most states require voters to request a mail-in ballot in the same manner as an absentee ballot.
[B "I think you're letting your emotions get the better of you"[/b]. There isn't a "sudden need" there's an option to satisfy a want.
I'm unaware of any attempts to permit voting without registration. Please supply some evidence.
Most states require voters to request a mail-in ballot in the same manner as an absentee ballot.
This (bolded) is the problem for most voters in American politics. They go about their sleepy oblivious lives until the press wakes them up for election windup time. Then the sirens sound and they're off to the races, full of....Emotion, not knowledge, nor facts, no real in depth reading, nor attending any valid informational events, no, just going with their party affiliations much like they view sports teams or any competition for that matter.
Taking a side in party politics, requires some indoctrination, and we've got plenty of that going on as a daily aspect of media, I haven't really found too many who can actually participate in a civil conversation about the political dynamic in America, plenty of complaining, plenty of speculating, no lack of misinformation, and no lack of pure hatred for "the other side." Again, the sports team allegiance thing, comes to the fore in US politics, whenever any reference is made to the policies of the two parties. Trump, or Biden, that's the accepted notion when the "who ya gonna vote for" question comes up, but in reality it's the party not the man, that gets the votes. And it's the parties who will run the US government affairs, and corporate power will run the parties....It's been that way for ages..
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