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Poverty will NEVER end in major cities, small towns, or anywhere ever. Regardless of the type of government whether here in the US, China, Russia, or Venezuela there will be poverty. Poverty is, always has been, and always will be an element of the human condition which is undesirable but exists nonetheless.
I don’t have any personal experience with quasi-socialist governments like in Nordic Countries but these are small culturally monolithic countries dwarfed by size of Texas and Florida, so who knows if they would work here or not? << Maybe, maybe not… but I don’t think poverty will ever be a condition of the past anywhere.
Poverty is an "industry", and far too many are making money off of it for it to ever end. It is one of our biggest industries along with the "prison industry".
The terms poverty industry or poverty business refer to a wide range of money-making activities that attract a large portion of their business from the poor. Businesses in the poverty industry often include payday loan centers, pawnshops, rent-to-own centers, casinos, liquor stores, lotteries, tobacco stores, credit card companies, and bail-bond services.[1][2][3][4] Illegal ventures such as loansharking might also be included. The poverty industry makes roughly US$33 billion a year in the United States.[5][page needed] In 2010, elected American federal officials received more than $1.5 million in campaign contributions from poverty-industry donors.[6]
Put a little money in the elected officials pockets for a big payoff! Look at all the government services that contract out also, and contractors make money not by serving the people, but finding the cheapest way or a way to not at all serve the people. They also like to grow their base in order to bring in more money - think "head count".
Nope, there is no incentive for the government/politicians to end poverty.
This is brilliant. I knew of the prison industry and it's massive profit, but had not connected the dots on the other "poverty" industries you mentioned.
Finding ways to "not serve the people"! So true....thanks for this informative post.
IMO, free birth control is the biggest, simplest step forward.
Poverty will NEVER end in major cities, small towns, or anywhere ever. Regardless of the type of government whether here in the US, China, Russia, or Venezuela there will be poverty. Poverty is, always has been, and always will be an element of the human condition which is undesirable but exists nonetheless.
I don’t have any personal experience with quasi-socialist governments like in Nordic Countries but these are small culturally monolithic countries dwarfed by size of Texas and Florida, so who knows if they would work here or not? << Maybe, maybe not… but I don’t think poverty will ever be a condition of the past anywhere.
The irony is it wouldn't matter if we had a socialized government or not. The same people who are poor in this system, would be poor in that system because of the reckless personal choices they've made. Young minorities for example would still be destined to generational poverty by forgoing marriage and having a myriad of children they can't afford. Illegals would still be poor (with more welfare) by having a plethora of children they also can't afford, refusing to learn English, and a lack of critical skills needed to move up the workforce.
Poverty is an "industry", and far too many are making money off of it for it to ever end. It is one of our biggest industries along with the "prison industry".
The terms poverty industry or poverty business refer to a wide range of money-making activities that attract a large portion of their business from the poor. Businesses in the poverty industry often include payday loan centers, pawnshops, rent-to-own centers, casinos, liquor stores, lotteries, tobacco stores, credit card companies, and bail-bond services.[1][2][3][4] Illegal ventures such as loansharking might also be included. The poverty industry makes roughly US$33 billion a year in the United States.[5][page needed] In 2010, elected American federal officials received more than $1.5 million in campaign contributions from poverty-industry donors.[6]
Put a little money in the elected officials pockets for a big payoff! Look at all the government services that contract out also, and contractors make money not by serving the people, but finding the cheapest way or a way to not at all serve the people. They also like to grow their base in order to bring in more money - think "head count".
Nope, there is no incentive for the government/politicians to end poverty.
Wouldn't that include Walmart and Dollar Stores since they get a large portion of their money from the poor? I'm sure we know many people that patronize most of those types of businesses that aren't even close to being poor. I never consider Wikipedia a credible source, so I really don't think much of the list.
We see the same group of people at the top or near the top of every list of negatives. Danial Moynihan told us over 50 years ago. It's illegitimacy. That is the surest way into poverty.
Wouldn't that include Walmart and Dollar Stores since they get a large portion of their money from the poor? I'm sure we know many people that patronize most of those types of businesses that aren't even close to being poor. I never consider Wikipedia a credible source, so I really don't think much of the list.
We see the same group of people at the top or near the top of every list of negatives. Danial Moynihan told us over 50 years ago. It's illegitimacy. That is the surest way into poverty.
I find it interesting that some posters think they are a "credible source" based on mostly just personal opinion, while well documented articles, often with extensive footnotes and links in Wikipedia are not at all reliable.
And perhaps what Daniel Moynihan said 5 decades ago is not as valid an opinion today as it was then...if it was then...and I used to like him.
What are your reliable sources here in this particular post of yours?
Illegals would still be poor (with more welfare) by having a plethora of children they also can't afford, refusing to learn English, and a lack of critical skills needed to move up the workforce.
Illegal Africans in France and Belgium may have very large families, but that's no longer true of Hispanics in America, whose birth rates have actually greatly declined and may seem large only when compared to native.born Americans who are frequently childless.
I am in my 30s, a traveled American for sure. Going away to Europe and seeing things feels like a different world. I don’t care about European cities as much as I do about American cities because I am a native.
I have been to major cities ever since I was growing up. As a passenger who always sat in the back seat, I always loved taking in the view, as I am originally from the North East NYC region. I thought Washington D.C. was going to be neat and tidy. I learned there are poor areas of D.C., just as probably every major city. I was surprised by this when I was younger.
As I grew up, I learned I shouldn’t be surprised by what I saw. But I had this deep inside feeling that I wanted to see America’s major cities improved financially.
Beverly Hills California is about the rich and famous. If you go the poor areas of Los Angeles, there is a different world. It still amazes me wealth and poverty are happening simultaneously and close to each other.
So why can’t more money be given to provide resources to those in need? Why can’t where the money being made be made more to give away for poor people? When you have poverty, you will often times have criminal behavior, as a way to find money, which can lead to violence. Doesn’t the government realize this cycle?
Define what you mean by poverty. Unless you are under something like socialism or communism where most people are equally not well off, you are always going to have a group on the bottom that are less well off. We already give money to those at the bottom but it really does not change the situation - some seem very content to be there.
Having some less well off should be an incentive for those at the bottom to become more well off. The issue is that giving them the help instead of earning it disincentivizes many of those at the bottom to better themselves because then the free help goes away.
As far as Europe goes - they have many of the same issues. Maybe you just didn't see it. According to a Yale study, homelessness is much greater in several other first world countries such as New Zealand, Sweden and the UK than in the US.
Washington DC area really depends on where you go - much is very nice but some areas are very sketchy. I used to have to walk through one such area, passed a rundown low income project to get from work to the subway.
So why can’t more money be given to provide resources to those in need? Why can’t where the money being made be made more to give away for poor people?
We already tried that, it's called communism and it doesn't work. There were wealthy elites in that system too.
As tough as it is, you must be able to provide something to society in order to make a living or earn money. Whether that means flipping burgers or managing Amazon, you must do something the world wants done, and the government isn't going to help much.
I think you should include young men in your prescription.
I agree they should be included in the calculation (they are). First job is the girls.
Get them sorted out and their expectations and aspirations will manage what the boys get.
Poverty is increasing as fossil fuels are depleted and we leave the industrial age. The pollution legacy of industrialization will endure for millennia. Farming damaged soil with depleted aquifers will be harder than pre-industrial farming. But poverty can be severe now, since we mostly lost DIY poverty skills. Buying cheap junk replaced making and repairing what we need.
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