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Old 02-11-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Well, do you think we should have National defense? Interstate highways? Well, those are a result of taxes. From your posts here, and in other places, I know one thing for sure about you: you have no idea how the real world works and your beliefs are so beyond far-fetched that it's impossible to take them seriously. We rely on the government a lot more than you think, so how would you pay for those necessary government services?


Our national defense should consist of nuclear weapons, a decent air force, some naval units (sufficient for defense, not for far-reaching offensive operations), and then tens of millions of civilian reservists/militia/citizen-soldier types who will be mobilized or operate as guerillas, if we are ever invaded. I would close 90-95% of all foreign military bases, I would also mandate that all old military equipment, instead of being given away to third world dictators, has to be sold at auction to American citizens (aside from nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, and delivery systems for such agents).

The military melted down hundreds of thousands of 1911A1 pistols, they got rid of the Browning-Automatic Rifle, the M1 Garand, the M14 rifle, etc... All of those weapons should have been sold to the American people to lessen the cost of switching to more modern weapons.

We've always had a national defense. The Japanese decline to even attempt to invade the USA (Aleutian Islands excluded) out of fear of what the armed masses of Americans would do to their invasion forces. The only reason to have the best funded standing army (along with being one of the largest) in the world is to pursue a continuous policy of foreign aggression. Meeting our defensive needs does not require anywhere near the sort of military that the United States presently has.


All roads should be maintained at the state or local level. The only national road systems should be strictly on a toll basis. If you use it, you pay for it.

My ideas are constitutional, my ideas are to get the USA back to the way the Founding Fathers wanted it. After 197 years of gradual erosion of freedom, arriving at the point where we find ourselves today, the masses are so used to tyranny pretending to be freedom and Constitutionalism, that when they hear ideas that are genuinely Constitutional, they react with knee-jerk hostility or confusion, or a combination of the two.

Most people wouldn't know Constitutional government if it kicked them in the mouth. This country is so far gone it would barely be able to see Constitutional government with the Hubble telescope.
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Yeah...this is another good reason to legalize prostitution and to regulate it....tax collections!
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yeah...this is another good reason to legalize prostitution and to regulate it....tax collections!

The taxes collected will most likely fall far short of covering the additional costs the government will have in regards to regulating, licensing, policing, the prostitutes and brothels, not to mention the weekly STD screenings. Legalized prostitution will likely wind up being another failed industry that the citizens/government will have to subsidize, bearing the burdens and costs, while the industry giants rake in billions and reap all the rewards.

Imagine the creation of a new department of government that will dwarf the size of the FBI, do you know how big of a budget such a department will require to operate and inspect/police all legal brothels in the USA? They will need a budget of at least several billion dollars per year.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The taxes collected will most likely fall far short of covering the additional costs the government will have in regards to regulating, licensing, policing, the prostitutes and brothels, not to mention the weekly STD screenings. Legalized prostitution will likely wind up being another failed industry that the citizens/government will have to subsidize, bearing the burdens and costs, while the industry giants rake in billions and reap all the rewards.

Imagine the creation of a new department of government that will dwarf the size of the FBI, do you know how big of a budget such a department will require to operate and inspect/police all legal brothels in the USA? They will need a budget of at least several billion dollars per year.
Again, you contradict yourself. Or you have no point...I'm not sure which one. You take a stance against prostitution, then state an opinion which would be a counter to your own arguments against prostitution.

Also, like in the Financial Services industry, the regulatory authority would be paid for by the companies themselves. You make wild claims (the prostitution regulatory authority would cost billions) with nothing to back them up. The regulatory authority for the financial services industry (FINRA) had an operating budget of around $900,000,000 and it was completely self-supported. So even if the prostitution regulatory authority did cost a billion plus, it would be able to support itself while adding an entirely new sector to the economy.
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Again, you contradict yourself. Or you have no point...I'm not sure which one. You take a stnace against prostitution, then state an opinion which would be a counter to your own arguments against prostitution.

Also, like in the Financial Services industry, the regulatory authority would be paid for by the companies themselves. You make wild claims (the prostitution regulatory authority would cost billions) with nothing to back them up. The regulatory authority for the financial services industry (FINRA) had an operating budget of around $900,000,000 and it was completely self-supported. So even if the prostitution regulatory authority did cost a billion plus, it would be able to support itself while adding an entirely new sector to the economy.
The ATF, which is a regulatory agency in regards to legal commodities, such as alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, not a prohibition enforcement agency such as the DEA, has a budget of no less than one billion dollars. That is how much it costs them to regulate alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Not to mention the FBI and DEA often lend support, thus the true cost of regulation is unknown.

Prostitution should probably be legalized, but I'm sure as hell not going to foot the bill for it. Everytime a private company wants to do something with public funds, they talk about how many jobs it will create, how it will boost the economy, how wonderful it will be, and it only ever winds up making rich people richer. They want 200-500 million dollars to build a stadium, at the public expense, and they get it. So what, they created about five or six hundred minimum wage jobs, big deal... Was it worth it?

Who's going to foot the bill for regulation? Private companies do not have the right to have access to government money or citizens' tax dollars.

Having a prostitution industry will simply result in yet another industry that the government will have to continuously bailout and/or subsidize. It should be legalized, but if they cannot stand on their own, I say the same thing I say about banks and investment firms, let them fall.
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The ATF, which is a regulatory agency in regards to legal commodities, such as alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, not a prohibition enforcement agency such as the DEA, has a budget of no less than one billion dollars. That is how much it costs them to regulate alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Not to mention the FBI and DEA often lend support, thus the true cost of regulation is unknown.

Prostitution should probably be legalized, but I'm sure as hell not going to foot the bill for it. Everytime a private company wants to do something with public funds, they talk about how many jobs it will create, how it will boost the economy, how wonderful it will be, and it only ever winds up making rich people richer. They want 200-500 million dollars to build a stadium, at the public expense, and they get it. So what, they created about five or six hundred minimum wage jobs, big deal... Was it worth it?

Who's going to foot the bill for regulation? Private companies do not have the right to have access to government money or citizens' tax dollars.

Having a prostitution industry will simply result in yet another industry that the government will have to continuously bailout and/or subsidize. It should be legalized, but if they cannot stand on their own, I say the same thing I say about banks and investment firms, let them fall.
The ATF doesn't have anything to do with Budweiser, it deals with smuggling, bootlegging and other criminal-related activities.
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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (abbreviated ATF) is a specialized federal law enforcement and regulatory organization within the United States Department of Justice. Its responsibilities include the investigation and prevention of federal offenses involving the unlawful use, manufacture, and possession of firearms and explosives, acts of arson and bombings, and illegal trafficking of alcohol and tobacco products.
The AMA is a self-regulatory organization.

Then your explanation of publicly funded stadiums (which is obviously NOT related to prostitution, since prostitution is a black market industry that would immediately create a tax revenue increase with legalization) shows how little understanding you have of economics or even about the result of new stadiums on downtrodden areas.

Three great examples:
San Francisco's AT&T (SBC or whoever the sponsor is now) Park: Built in warehouse district wrought with junkies and crime. Now it's full of luxury condos, biotech firms and shopping. The new stadium brought thousands of construction jobs, electrician jobs, plumbing jobs, maintainence jobs, retail and restaurant jobs, etc. The entire area was transformed from a place you wouldn't go to at night, to one of the most desireable neighborhoods in the city.
San Diego's Petco Park. Moved stadium from location near freeways to a location in San Diego's skid row. Within a few years, the entire area went from a homeless community full of junkies to the most booming real estate section of the city, full of new restaurants, botiques and clubs.
Baltimore's Camden Yard: One of Baltimore's worst neighborhoods became one of its main attractions. Many restaurants, bars, botiques and even museums opened up.

That being said, to think that Nevada is able to have legal prostitution without any problems should show the fact that it can work. The fact that The Netherlands can have legalized prostitution with regulation and NOT be bankrupted should prove that point wrong...
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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That being said, to think that Nevada is able to have legal prostitution without any problems should show the fact that it can work. The fact that The Netherlands can have legalized prostitution with regulation and NOT be bankrupted should prove that point wrong...
The Netherlands also has a massive problem with STDs... I don't know what the latest figures are, but the STD rate rose by about 25% from 2004 to 2005. What will the cost to society be when these people go to seek treatment? Who is going to pay for that? The Netherlands also has a much higher tax rate than the USA, so their government has no problem dealing with the consequences of prostitution so the brothel owners don't have to do so. I doubt people in the USA want to pay 50-70% taxes.

As for the ATF, most of their energy is spent policing legal licensed firearms dealers. They don't spend 90% of their time going after gun-runners, gang-bangers, etc. They spend the great majority of their effort regulating licensed firearms dealers, firearms owners, and then making sure that cigarette distributors aren't obtaining truckloads of cigarettes from other states to circumvent tax payments. Inter-state cigarette smuggling has become a huge business in the last decade or so, in the event you didn't know.
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Please try to stay on topic
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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The taxes collected will most likely fall far short of covering the additional costs the government will have in regards to regulating, licensing, policing, the prostitutes and brothels, not to mention the weekly STD screenings. Legalized prostitution will likely wind up being another failed industry that the citizens/government will have to subsidize, bearing the burdens and costs, while the industry giants rake in billions and reap all the rewards.

Imagine the creation of a new department of government that will dwarf the size of the FBI, do you know how big of a budget such a department will require to operate and inspect/police all legal brothels in the USA? They will need a budget of at least several billion dollars per year.
If the taxes are insufficient to cover the incremental expenses, then the taxes need to be raised until they DO cover the expenses. One thing for sure, the level of governmental "regulation" as regarded to prostitution NOW, does not add even one penny to the tax roles.
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:02 PM
 
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Good topic OP.

Lets get this clear, it has nothing to do with morals since prostitution in some states such as Nevada is legal. It is no different than going on a expensive date then having sex. It is a consenting exchange. Totally different from rape.

There is no health issues because once again look at the Bunny Ranch. If there was a health concern...the Bunny Ranch would of been shut down long time ago.

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