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Old 08-10-2009, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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REPLY: How often one has been doing it, isnt what determines if it is ok to do. Theres a good reason why it is ILLEGAL and should NOT be done. For those who are doing it, they need to exit the lifestyle regardless of how hard it will be at this point. Theres places to go for drug abuse.

' If you want to ban everything that people abuse, I guess we should ban, porn, alcohol,'


REPLY: Indeed we should.


' driving, prescription medication, and sleep.'

REPLY: No, these are legal .

' You go there communist!
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REPLY: Its not that im a Commie..rather, youd like to continue a drug addiction which is illegal and Ive brought it to your attention. WHy not engage in good, wholesome, proper, legal things ?? Have you any good pastimes or hobbys that you sink your energies into ? That would be a step in the right direction . Ive had an addiction or two over the years, and i find putting my focus into something constructive is a wonderful alternative . Lets all of us abide by the Law of our Nation and the Nation will be better for it. I know youll agree with that.
Actually, since you know nothing about me, I'll try and be as open as I can.

I hold down a 70,000 dollar a year job.

I graduated from college with a 4.0.

I have a wife, and a son. We go to church, we participate in the community, we go to pee wee football games, we boat, we do yard work, and I go to a Friday night poker game every week.

I'm pretty damned "all american" on everything I do. Oh, and I smoke a joint every night before bed. Everyone I know, knows I do this. I make no bones about it, if they ask, they know. I have police friends that smoke to.

The idea that people that smoke pot don't do anything except sit around, play video games, eating cheesy puffs is just silly. The vast majority of us are normal, everyday Americans. Its a natural weed, it grows everywhere. There are many things that are much more dangerous than pot.

Oh, and if you really want to make all of the things illegal that you said, you are a control freak with no life yourself. Maybe, you should worry a little less about what everyone else is doing, and worry about your own little world. I'm sure things are nearly as wholesome in your life as you think.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:45 AM
 
Location: In a house
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The simple fact is Marijuana is illegal, and anyone who smokes, or possesses it is a criminal who deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If alcohol became illegal, I would not drink anymore, plain and simple. In Arizona where I am from, it is a felony to have any Marijuana on you at all. It should be like that in every state IMO.
I dont think anyone is saying to ignore the law. I'm not anyway. The subject is WHY it is illegal when a far worse drug, alcohol, is not.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:50 AM
 
Location: In a house
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You obviously did not read my first post. I was answering someones question that asked why the government does not legalize pot.
My opinion is that all drugs should be legal. The government should not be in the business of telling adults what they can or cannot put into their bodies.

I stand corrected, my apologies. Seems we are in agreement to a large degree. I wouldn't say legalize heroine, meth or cocaine because of their addictiveness & lack of any social value. People drink together, they smoke weed together, but they do not use coke, meth or heroine together much at all. Thats another thing altogether. The folks I knew who got involved with those drugs invariably shut the world out. Plus they often resort to crime to get their drugs. Never heard of anybody beating an old lady to get a joint.
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:38 AM
 
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I dont think anyone is saying to ignore the law. I'm not anyway. The subject is WHY it is illegal when a far worse drug, alcohol, is not.
Believe it or not, the biggest opposition to Marijuana is from the tobacco and Alcohol companies. They have powerful lobbyists to prevent Marijuana from becoming legal as it would cut heavily into their sales.
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Old 08-11-2009, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Because the government hasn't figured out how to package and tax it yet!

And they like all the dumb American's on drugs, then they can't see how the government is trying to take over our lives. And they have no ambition to stand up for their rights.
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Old 08-11-2009, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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I used to smoke a blunt everyday, sometimes more than one. I was always with other people having a good time sitting on my porch getting high. Then I got up to go to work the next day. Heck, they even called me to come in for overtime when people called off. And the manager knew I smoked weed, but he also knew I was the most reliable, hardest working employee he had. I was the best at what I did, and I bet now, I could walk back in and take over just like I did 15 years ago. Which means my brain was working just fine. And still is, I have a bachelors degree, graduated with a 3.8, and a masters degree, graduated with a 4.0.

If you don't like weed, fine, but it is not a horrible thing to do.
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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FWIW - Heroine was created as an analgesic for the wounded from the Franco-Prussian War. It is a very good, if addictive, analgesic. It was also used to treat poison gas injuries in WW1 as Morphine was during all the wars since.

As far as legalizing Pot is concerned I would like to point out that smugglers and customs agents are symbiotic. If pot were legal they would both be out of jobs.

I would like to add extreme fatigue to the list of driving don’ts. Fatigue can be a dangerous as driving drunk and is probably more dangerous than driving stoned. Not that driving stoned is such a good idea.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The simple fact is Marijuana is illegal, and anyone who smokes, or possesses it is a criminal who deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If alcohol became illegal, I would not drink anymore, plain and simple. In Arizona where I am from, it is a felony to have any Marijuana on you at all. It should be like that in every state IMO.
Are you saying that the letter of the law ought to be regarded as the sole determiner of what is right and wrong? A person is defined as "doing the right thing" only by the criteria set out by criminal statutes?

Just curious---but in what circumstance ought a person breaking the law be prosecuted to less than the fullest extent of the law? I see signs along the road that say No Littering---fine $25-$5,000. If every criminal deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, should everybody be fined the maximum $5,000 for tossing out an apple core, or opening their car door on a windy day and having a paper napkin blow out?

"Fullest extent of the law" is a buzzword that tips me off that I am reading a raging, angry person who has absolutely no sense of justice at all, and is motivated by pure hate and vindictiveness.

You'd better be careful, because if you throw a AA battery in your household trash, I'm going to demand that you be prosecuted to the fullest extent of all appilcable environmental laws, which I believe allows for a pretty hefty prison sentence, and I want them to run consecutively for every count. If you throw away three batteries, that's three strikes and your out. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

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Old 08-11-2009, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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RVlover wrote: "Pot needs to be totally banned and we need ignition lockout systems for people who try to start a car over the legal limit"

RVlover, would you trust such a lockout device to function so perfectly, that you would want to have it in your RV, parked in the wilderness 100 miles from any service facility that could come and repair it and get your rig started for you? Be careful what you wish for. Do you want your RV to be fitted with dozens of devices, mandated by law, all of which render the machine useless and inoperable unless you jump through exactly the right hoops to make it work? What's the fail-safe?
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:53 AM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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Having been both really high and really drunk before, I would definitely feel safer driving high (on marijuana, not other drugs).

I wouldn't even think about driving on alcohol.

I don't believe there is a such thing as "bad drugs". There are only bad relationships with drugs.

Opiates (including heroin in its pure form) do no damage at all if your doses are regulated. But an addict isn't going to think to do that. Nor are they going to care if it's cut with dangerous stuff.

Back when I lived in Ohio, I had a few friends who I'd consider responsible drug users. They'd do heroin or coke and space out their use so they wouldn't get hooked. They also measured out the doses.
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