Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-17-2009, 09:25 AM
 
768 posts, read 1,087,909 times
Reputation: 343

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonium View Post
I swear that I am not trying to be crappy but I will give you a starting point:

It is called The Emergency Stabilization Act of 2008.

That is an act of congress perhaps, but was it made a constitional amendment?

You are not being crappy at all, we are just having an interesting dialogue here.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-17-2009, 09:30 AM
 
3,562 posts, read 5,225,158 times
Reputation: 1861
Good.

It doesn't need to be an amendment.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 09:35 AM
 
3,562 posts, read 5,225,158 times
Reputation: 1861
Does the act fall within the powers of Congress?

Quote:
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 10:05 AM
 
768 posts, read 1,087,909 times
Reputation: 343
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonium View Post

But where does it specifically state that Congress can take money from the people and use it to bail out corporations and financial institutions which are private entities?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 10:14 AM
 
3,562 posts, read 5,225,158 times
Reputation: 1861
You tell me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 10:24 AM
 
3,562 posts, read 5,225,158 times
Reputation: 1861
The commerce clause, general welfare clause, and the necessary and proper clause.


*****
Edited for: At some point, you may find yourself relaxing a bit because there is no violation of the 10th Amendment. This may be followed by the feeling that you are being molested at a whole different level.

Last edited by Pandamonium; 09-17-2009 at 11:22 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
42,554 posts, read 86,954,125 times
Reputation: 36644
Quote:
Originally Posted by Consent Withdrawn View Post
But where does it specifically state that Congress can take money from the people and use it to bail out corporations and financial institutions which are private entities?
The Constitution permits everything except that which is specifically and constitutionally prohibited. That, as I recall, is the difference between Common Code and Napoleonic Code.

The government can do whatever it wants, subject to challenge if the action is found to be in violation of a specific constitutional restriction. Income tax is provided for in the XVI Amendment. The government can raise as much revenue as it likes, and spend it as it pleases, unless the Constitution specifically prohibits such expenditure.

So, whre does it say they CAN'T do what you described?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 11:39 AM
 
768 posts, read 1,087,909 times
Reputation: 343
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
The Constitution permits everything except that which is specifically and constitutionally prohibited. That, as I recall, is the difference between Common Code and Napoleonic Code.

The government can do whatever it wants, subject to challenge if the action is found to be in violation of a specific constitutional restriction. Income tax is provided for in the XVI Amendment. The government can raise as much revenue as it likes, and spend it as it pleases, unless the Constitution specifically prohibits such expenditure.

So, whre does it say they CAN'T do what you described?
The government can do whatever it wants? Yep sounds like "might makes right" to me. And you wonder why I reject it and deny it's moral justification over me. I encourage all who don't want to be slaves to to so as well. But I guess slavery suits some people.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 11:46 AM
 
768 posts, read 1,087,909 times
Reputation: 343
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonium View Post
You tell me.



Pandemonium, you asked me in an earlier post to be precise. Now I ask you the same. Where precisely does it state that money can be taken from the working class and given to private banks and corporations?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-17-2009, 11:47 AM
 
768 posts, read 1,087,909 times
Reputation: 343
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonium View Post
The commerce clause, general welfare clause, and the necessary and proper clause.


*****
Edited for: At some point, you may find yourself relaxing a bit because there is no violation of the 10th Amendment. This may be followed by the feeling that you are being molested at a whole different level.

?????? Pandy, are you playing with me?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top