Are we protecting the egos of todays children to much (salary, Baby Boomers)
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In some European countries it is just as bad. For example, I knew European schoolteachers who were not allowed to mark homework or test papers using a red pen, lest it damage the egos of children who got the answers wrong.
Correcting a Child's mistakes, needn't be negative. No reason to use a red pen unless it is repeated mistakes. Just give them proper direction and call it good. Nobody likes, not deserves to have their noses rubbed in it. Treat Kids as you would want to be treated. with courtesy and respect, and you may find they respond in kind. there is no need for heavy handed tactics, unless the teacher is insecure, and feels the need to "teach them a lesson"
Correcting a Child's mistakes, needn't be negative. No reason to use a red pen unless it is repeated mistakes. Just give them proper direction and call it good. Nobody likes, not deserves to have their noses rubbed in it. Treat Kids as you would want to be treated. with courtesy and respect, and you may find they respond in kind. there is no need for heavy handed tactics, unless the teacher is insecure, and feels the need to "teach them a lesson"
I don't see that using a red pen is rubbing their noses in it. The red ink makes the corrections stand out.
I don't see that using a red pen is rubbing their noses in it. The red ink makes the corrections stand out.
Fine, and how did it make you feel when a red pen was used on your hard work. good?? Positive reinforcment does wonders. Use a Blue Pen to point out the good things. To only focus on mistakes, teaches a child that "Negativity" is the way to grade things. We are stuck with primitive teaching methods, and wonder why Honduras has passed us up. The more a Child does good, the less he will do bad. Kids want to do good, so show them it matters more than making mistakes.
The more I read this, the more convinced I am that this pertains to a specific class.
You take the argument of :when I was a kid we left home in the morning and didn't show up until supper or dinner. No adult supervision, therefor, no discipline. You do that when you have a kid now and you call it lack of supervision and some people's parents and no discipline. Its because there was no mother at home.
I have yet to meet someone whose parents went to the interview with the kid. However, that could be because a parent already worked there.Oh, no wait...........how does that factor in? Plus, take the "family" owned business where all kinds of riffraff are hired because they are "family". AKA nobody else would hire them.
You have entire groups of kids who couldn't find there way into a college because the parent has no idea how to work through the system having never done it themselves.
If enough time is spent during a Child's most formative years, teaching them proper conduct and behavior, then constant supervision is not needed as they mature and learn. As a Child, we just went about our lives. We didn't get in trouble. we simply played. We were glad to feel safe, and loved. We were trusted, and were expected to do the right thing. --We didn't have drive bys, or gun fights. we didn't rob and steal. We acted in response to how we were treated. We made the 60s what it was. and no one has done it better.----The society we have today, is the way it is because we expect someone to hold our hand, and take care of us. If it not our families and friends, then we expect the Gubment to step up and take care of us. That is not our Gubment's job, plus they are not qualified to do it anyway. . We need to each and every one of us, learn to stand firmly own our own two feet, just as I was taught to do a small child.---Just remember, we are not rearing Children. we already have Children. we are trying to rear "Adults" Allow them to spread their wings and Fly.
Last edited by Thaskateguy; 11-27-2009 at 10:38 AM..
Correcting a Child's mistakes, needn't be negative. No reason to use a red pen unless it is repeated mistakes. Just give them proper direction and call it good. Nobody likes, not deserves to have their noses rubbed in it. Treat Kids as you would want to be treated. with courtesy and respect, and you may find they respond in kind. there is no need for heavy handed tactics, unless the teacher is insecure, and feels the need to "teach them a lesson"
I was just fine with red pen marking my schoolwork mistakes. Getting A's and B's was positive reinforcement enough. And always preferred getting letter grades rather than pass/fail marks. I wanted that distinction of really having done well, and not being lumped in one big group. Realism worked just fine for me as a child. And if I had kids, I would raise them the same way. I would not coddle them.
YES! Someone very close to me is a high school teacher and I was absolutely astounded when they told me that the kids who haven't passed and will NOT get a diploma are allowed to walk and "graduate" with their class, the only difference is they receive a blank diploma. Why should someone who didn't even pass be allowed to "graduate"? What does this say about our schools or our society? Scary, huh?!
I was just fine with red pen marking my schoolwork mistakes. Getting A's and B's was positive reinforcement enough. And always preferred getting letter grades rather than pass/fail marks. I wanted that distinction of really having done well, and not being lumped in one big group. Realism worked just fine for me as a child. And if I had kids, I would raise them the same way. I would not coddle them.
so if you made good grades you probably didn't face the red pen of death. So may have different view as some of us who had their work look like red was the new blue.
YES! Someone very close to me is a high school teacher and I was absolutely astounded when they told me that the kids who haven't passed and will NOT get a diploma are allowed to walk and "graduate" with their class, the only difference is they receive a blank diploma. Why should someone who didn't even pass be allowed to "graduate"? What does this say about our schools or our society? Scary, huh?!
Exactly, if there is not emphasis placed on passing (being able to walk with your class) then what are we saying. You are going to receive a blank piece of paper that only you and your parents know is blank. You will still look and be treated like everyone else who actually did the work and earned it. There needs to be accountability for ones actions. I had to work my tail off as a senior in school in NY to get a Regents Diploma and it was anounced at graduation who earned a Regents diploma and who had a regular diploma. I felt that without knowing ahead of time that it would be announced this way I probably would not have tried so hard. Besides I knew if I went home and told my parents I did not get Regents they would have been disappointed and I did not want to do that. Parents are the key. Forget what color pen the teacher uses if a parent is involved and concerned the kids will understand they are judged in life in everything and try to excell not just coast by. The quickest route between to points is always the path of least resistance (look at how rivers flow). People will always look for the quickest route in life so we need to teach them ealry that sometimes there will be obstacles you must go over without finding an easier way around.
so if you made good grades you probably didn't face the red pen of death. So may have different view as some of us who had their work look like red was the new blue.
miu said that she (am i remembering right?) got A's and B's, which would imply that some things were not perfect. probably still did fine with even the markings she got on her B work.
i got horrible grades in high school in every subject except for art, humanities, and PE.
i've had as much red pen on my work as i had black ink from my own pen. it didn't bother me though. people can take offense to otherwise inoffensive things if they want, but that doesn't change the inherently inoffensive nature of the object.
nowadays, i appreciate it when my college teachers hand my assignments back with some red ink; it tells me that they actually took the time to read what i had written, to add comments and corrections.
it doesn't hurt my feelings, and neither does getting a D or a C or anything else when that is what i deserve. all of this, "we can't give students F's because it stands for failure," "we can't use red ink because it will hurt people's feelings," is crap. we are breeding a weak society with these standards.
it irritates me that the same mentality has found its way into military society as well. "make training easier, because we don't want to shame those that can't pass," or "because we don't want to exclude the fat people, or the sick people, or the weak people, or the mentally or emotionally imbalanced people."
we need to grow up, and part of growing up is realizing that we need to encourage the growing up of our children, rather than inhibiting it and making them comfortable as perpetual kids.
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