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Old 01-13-2010, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Lehigh Acres
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So I was listening to the radio a couple of days ago, and some bleeding heart group is claiming that Illegal immigrants are nothing more than slaves. They want equal rights, for ILLEGAL immigrants, that by the way, they call "undocumented workers". I think that if you are here illegally, you chose the path and the life you have. You can improve yourself just as easily as a canuck or European immigrant who goes through the LEGAL process of becoming a citizen. Why can't these people understand?
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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Because they don't want to.....
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Lehigh Acres
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So I'm not insane to think that if these illegal immigrants went through the correct channels to become citizens, we wouldn't even need to have this conversation today?
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:36 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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So I'm not insane to think that if these illegal immigrants went through the correct channels to become citizens, we wouldn't even need to have this conversation today?
We wouldn't, but the proper channels are usually not available to them. I am vehemently anti-illegal, but I acknowledge that it is also usually not possible for them to "get in line" and become legal.

I think this is NOT a bad thing. Immigration in this country (and in many other wealthy nations) is designed to benefit the receiving nation, NOT the immigrant, with exceptions made for humanitarian asylum cases which comprise a small percentage of overall immigration.

We expect immigrants to be educated and highly skilled, and capable of contributing to our society at a high level without being a burden to taxpayers. This is not unreasonable at all. People need to remember that. Immigration is not a charity and it's not a giveaway or free-for-all. If you don't qualify, then you don't qualify. Learn to read, acquire a skill, try again.
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Lehigh Acres
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What do you mean, when you say "the proper channels are not usually available to them" Do you mean that it costs too much? Then they should stop sending 80% of their paycheck back home, and use it to get legal, then get a better job, then send money home.
Do you mean that they don't qualify for citizenship for some reason? Please elaborate a little for me.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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We expect immigrants to be educated and highly skilled, and capable of contributing to our society at a high level without being a burden to taxpayers. This is not unreasonable at all. People need to remember that. Immigration is not a charity and it's not a giveaway or free-for-all. If you don't qualify, then you don't qualify. Learn to read, acquire a skill, try again.
I agree with you, but the catch is that we live in the Age of Entitlement. People expect to be handed privileges (which they insist are "rights") without having to do any of the work that was considered necessary in the past to attain those privileges.

And calling illegal immigrants "undocumented workers" doesn't make the problem go away--except in the minds of the apologists.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Lehigh Acres
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They are still illegal immigrants, they dont like the term because it is derogatory. That's like calling me a florida cracker, it isn't derogatory, it's what I am..
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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As a mexican you either

a)live in extreme poverty with no hope of your situation changing
b)immigrate and live in poverty but not as extreme as A and have some hope

Yeah Id choose the b option.
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Lehigh Acres
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Then don't dare demand that I give you rights you don't deserve. Don't dare demand that I learn your language because you refuse to learn the language of the country that you moved to. Don't dare take government assistance from a government to which you make no contribution. Don't dare expect any of this, ESPECIALLY when you send most of your paycheck back to mexico.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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As a mexican you either

a)live in extreme poverty with no hope of your situation changing
b)immigrate and live in poverty but not as extreme as A and have some hope

Yeah Id choose the b option.
Well, maybe we're getting somewhere after all! So you're limiting the phenomenon of illegal immigrants to Mexicans, I see. (That being the case, I'd like to know what to call the thousands of Russians and Poles who've come to New York City illegally).
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