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I could care less what the street users do with their drugs. I consider overdoses to be evolution in action. There have been a couple of times I wished Heroin were available because it is probably the best pain killer on the planet. I doubt if I would have become hooked because I don't feel any rush when I take any of the morphine derivatives. I just feel the pain go away.
Is it just me, or do the pain management specialists and clinics seem like a legal way around giving people ocycontin and roxycodone, etc? Why is it doctors can still practice these kinds of businesses, with all the illegal street sales and ODing happening?
I don't really understand your question, or the point you're trying to make here. Are you implying that nobody has a need for these meds? Have you ever seen anyone have a kidney stone attack?
It is a controlled substance, and doctors control them, alright. Same with muscle relaxants, which is something I need to take occasionally. And I've never been prescribed any in large amounts.
I don't really understand your question, or the point you're trying to make here. Are you implying that nobody has a need for these meds? Have you ever seen anyone have a kidney stone attack?
It is a controlled substance, and doctors control them, alright. Same with muscle relaxants, which is something I need to take occasionally. And I've never been prescribed any in large amounts.
I never implied that nobody has the need.
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This is one thing that highlights the differences between European and American attitudes on health care.
Europeans seek medical treatment to get well, but Americans seek medical treatment to feel good.
"Getting well" and "feeling good" are not the same things, and it's going to be very expensive to meet such a subjective idea as "feeling good."
But, to answer your question, one way to solve the problem is exclusion.
By "exclusion" I mean that health "insurance" providers do not have to pain for "pain therapy" medications.
I just had surgery for nerve damage in my arm, and I received a no refill prescription for thirty 5 mg Oxycodone tablets.
Insurance would pay for that (actually the VA did), but if I would keep saying my arm hurt and I needed more or different painkillers, I'd have to pay for those out of pocket, with no deduction or deductible (ie such payments do not count toward the insurance deductible nor would they be tax deductible on the 1040 long form).
I think feeling pain is a very subjective experience. Some women have babies in the fields with no pain killers and get right back up to tend to the harvest. Others force their husbands to have vasectomies after they deliver their first child.
I have a greater tolerance of pain than most. I try to take pain killers only when absolutely necessary and start with half the recommended dosage. I do think the insurance company should have no business telling me how much it wants me to suffer, however. For all the abuses these substances do give many a better quality of life than they would have had if the pills were not available.
The people I feel the most sadness for are those who have lingering and unresolvable pain, constantly. That can really wear you down and turn you into less of a person. They are the most likely to become addicted.
I don't think humanity, in general, should be made to suffer by the few who abuse drugs. The efforts to trap the real culprits are half-hearted at best and it's about time the government got after the top guys and that often means cleaning out their own house first.
There are people that have legitimate pain that requires stronger than OTC meds. The cops are making it out to be a huge problem here in FL, which in some aspects they are right. It's the people that are coming in from out of state and going home and reselling that are scewing it up for everyone.
It really boils my blood to see on the news 20-somethings getting loaded into a paddy wagon for selling thier oxys right outside the pain clinics, they are ruining it for us over the hill folks who have 30+ years of abuse on their backs from working hard and really need the medication.
I work as an RN at a hospital, we have caught countless patients "cheeking" their pain pills, snorting as well as taking them right outside the front doors to sell them. There is only 1 doctor when on call if you call him and make him aware of the situation that will say discontinue all narcotics until we can re-evaluate, the rest act like we are being cruel for catching them and have a so what attitude about the entire situation. We caught a patient snorting pills from a prescription bottle that did not even belong to him, called the police as protocol dictates only to have the police tell him he should know better and leave. There are several people who genuinely need these medications, I have no problem giving them to these people. I am sorry but when a patient or their spouse comes to tell me they are in serious pain at the exact second that medicine is due and then is asleep before I can even get the med out of the drawer, that is a bit suspicious to me.
Often the police and politicians are on the take, which allows these things to go on. The reason why crime went down in New York City after 9/11 is all the federal undercover operations which sent the drug gangs into the surrounding suburbs and forced many of the old corrupt cops to retire. There was a big bust of crooked cops.
Hey, the CIA has been caught several times bringing illegal drugs into the country under the guise of dead service people in coffins. Mrs. McCain once started a charity to bring needed drugs to underdeveloped countries, but it was primarily to feed her own drug habit and once she was caught she closed the charity.
As was said, everyone has a price. Almost everyone. I fear that we will someday be in the same situation as Mexico, there are so many levels to the drug situation in both countries.
I looked up the side effects of oxy, and loss of hearing is one of them, the same situation that Rush Limbaugh had, only he said the hearing problem came first and the oxy was to numb the pain. Who to believe?
You are right.
The problem is, people who do not have medical problems do not understand what it is like to have medical problems. They aren't being mean, it's a lack of understanding, that's all.
You got that right! The sick will always have to suffer the "insult to injury" posed by the healthy. They take their health for granted and their judgement just goes with the territory. I've been disabled with chronic pain for several years now and believe me, I've heard it all. I've found that when dealing with this issue you have to take a tough stance and basically just shut negative people out of your life completely. This includes family members. You're already suffering enough. Don't let the uninformed make it worse.
You got that right! The sick will always have to suffer the "insult to injury" posed by the healthy. They take their health for granted and their judgement just goes with the territory. I've been disabled with chronic pain for several years now and believe me, I've heard it all. I've found that when dealing with this issue you have to take a tough stance and basically just shut negative people out of your life completely. This includes family members. You're already suffering enough. Don't let the uninformed make it worse.
So the negative people, the uninformed, the stupid, the healthy, we're the problem? We aren't the ones abusing the pain medication, and nobody pointed fingers saying that people in pain are abusing them. The question at hand, had you actually read the original post, was, what can be done about people who get the pills simply to resell them to make money? Surely even you, even with all the pain you are in, can see that there ARE people who do that. So what should be done about them? Rather than attack those of us who pose real questions, about real problems, why don't you try to address them, or stay out.
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