Why is or is not this argument valid? (unemployment, enemy, statistics)
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26% of white children are born out of wedlock. 9% of whites live in poverty. 8% of whites are unemployed and whites commit murder, rape and robbery. Hence, it’s obvious that these statistics and rates manifest in whites despite there not being a history of the enslavement and degradation of the white race in this nation. In fact, there is not a group in America that does not have children born out of wedlock, unemployed people, people in poverty or members who commit crime.
Thus, no one has ever argued that ALL black poverty, unemployment, out of wedlock births, crime and other statics are the result of slavery and racism. However, that is often the straw man fallacy used to discredit the TRUE argument which is being made. Obviously in our system, there are reasons for poverty, unemployment, crime and such that is unrelated to the history of slavery and racial oppression. One can then suggest that such manifestations of socioeconomic being are “naturally” occurring. Hence, the baseline for these statistics not shaped by racial oppression is established by the white population, given that they are the vast majority and have been here long.
So the debate is this: Is the difference between black statistics and white statistics totally the produce of racial oppression? In other words, the black rate of poverty – white rate of poverty = oppression created poverty in blacks. The rate of black poverty = the rate of white poverty is thus poverty brought upon blacks from the same factor that it’s brought upon whites. In other words, let’s just say that 10% of humans, on average, in the USA have the tendency or trait that makes them their own worse enemy and results in poor choices, poverty, unemployment and crime. Consequently, there is this baseline of poverty, unemployment, crime and the like that society will basically always have. Is it fair to say, therefore, that anything above that %, in the black population, is therefore the result of “something else”?
The question is “what is the something else”? To argue that other humans have a 10% quota of being their own worst enemy but blacks have a 20% quota of being their own worst enemy is suggesting that the black race is inferior to other humans, is it not? What would make blacks self destruct at a rate higher than the norm, if not external factors? If not external factors it can only be internal factors. To say it’s not external does not require one to say it’s internal because it’s implied because it’s the only other option. People then say that it’s an inferior “Culture” but why would black people produce a culture that is inferior to other groups? What is it about black people, relative to others, that we cannot produce a culture as goods as others? If we are just as human and just as capable, at birth, then it makes no sense that we would produce an inferior culture if we are equal human beings. What explains? The explanation to the observation is where it is discovered if one is racist or not. This is why people have run from and danced around this point...out of fear and avoidance of being exposed.
If people respond to this at all...it will probably be a person attack to obfuscate and misdirect. They know to answer this cuts to the chase. Why does holding to the "external" theory make me an angry, hate filled racist....given all the history of evidence of what happened to blacks...and still happens to a lesser degree?
Last edited by Indentured Servant; 05-24-2010 at 01:20 PM..
As much as I despise Dr. Phil, he asked someone 'How's that working for you?' The message was, if something isn't working for you, change it so you get a different outcome. Don't continually do the same thing over and over and think the result will change.
If your desire is for crime to diminish within the black population, stop using the same old excuses (oppression and slavery) and teach responsibility to the youngsters.
My guess is if you teach the young responsibility and accountability instead of making excuses, crime, poverty and unemployment would drop.
Black women are unbelievably strong. Can you imagine what they could do for the "black condition" if they put their efforts into making it change? Wow. It would be powerful.
Last edited by NoExcuses; 05-24-2010 at 02:37 PM..
As much as I despise Dr. Phil, he asked someone 'How's that working for you?' The message was, if something isn't working for you, change it so you get a different outcome. Don't continually do the same thing over and over and think the result will change.
If your desire is for crime to diminish within the black population, stop using the same old excuses (oppression and slavery) and teach responsibility to the youngsters.
My guess is if you teach the young responsibility and accountability instead of making excuses, crime, poverty and unemployment would drop.
You are practicing avoidance…..but not really. There is no such thing as an EXCUSE. An excuse is simply a euphemism for the term LIE or PREVERICATION. There is a REASON for everything. By characterizing the external REASONS articulated by blacks as EXCUSES, you are characterizing those reasons as LIES. If you see the external explanation as LIES, then you, by default, see the internal causation theory as TRUTH.
As I said before, when one chooses the internal school of thought over the external school of though, one is essentially arguing the inferiority of blacks. Only blacks make excuses or have the excuse making gene and hence…..that’s our problem. Blacks understand what our problems are and what the solution is....whites just don't recognize or will not admit that they are racist in their rationalizations of black inferiority as the explanation for our problems. Why you are focusing, incorreclty on our problems and EXCUSES....you avoid your own issue with DENIAL.
It is CULTURALLY ACCEPTABLE AND EXPECTED for blacks to make excuses for their own choices, and blame whites for what they assume will be their own inevitable failure.
You are practicing avoidance…..but not really. There is no such thing as an EXCUSE. An excuse is simply a euphemism for the term LIE or PREVERICATION. There is a REASON for everything. By characterizing the external REASONS articulated by blacks as EXCUSES, you are characterizing those reasons as LIES. If you see the external explanation as LIES, then you, by default, see the internal causation theory as TRUTH.
You are wrong. DEAD WRONG.
Main Entry: 1ex·cuse
Pronunciation: \ik-ˈskyüz, imperatively often ˈskyüz\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): ex·cused; ex·cus·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French escuser,excuser, from Latin excusare, from ex- + causa cause, explanation
Date: 13th century 1 a: to make apology for b: to try to remove blame from 2: to forgive entirely or disregard as of trivial import : regard as excusable <graciously excused his tardiness> 3 a: to grant exemption or release to <was excused from jury duty> b: to allow to leave <excused the class> 4: to serve as excuse for :justify <nothing can excuse such neglect>
— ex·cus·able \ik-ˈskyü-zə-bəl\ adjective
— ex·cus·able·nessnoun
— ex·cus·ably \-blē\ adverb
— ex·cus·ernoun
There you have it. There is your problem. Excuses. You have trained yourselves, and each other, to make excuses.
It is CULTURALLY ACCEPTABLE AND EXPECTED for blacks to make excuses for their own choices, and blame whites for what they assume will be their own inevitable failure.
Simple? Explain to me why its NOT CULTURALLY ACCEPTABLE AND EXPECTED for whites to make excuses for their own choices and blame someone else?
I am still not understand WHAT GENE in black DNA creates a propensity to create a culture where excuse making is endemic....but other races, like whites, have no such propensity in degree, if not kind, and therefore produce a superior less excuse making culture? In telling me what is wrong with black people....explain to me why it is more RIGHT with WHITES. You have not provided a ROOT explanation. You just keep pointing out what blacks do inferior to whites....but never explain why whites are superior. Why don't whites make excuses like blacks? You can't and will not answer that because the answer is your indictment. You just keep saying 6 + 6 (blacks do things inferior to whites...such as being excuse prone) then denying that you said 12 (blacks are inferior to whites). You know that saying 12 makes you a racist.....so you keep saying 6 + 6 to not fall into the literal trap of having adminted 12.
Last edited by Indentured Servant; 05-24-2010 at 02:36 PM..
You are practicing avoidance…..but not really. There is no such thing as an EXCUSE. An excuse is simply a euphemism for the term LIE or PREVERICATION. There is a REASON for everything. By characterizing the external REASONS articulated by blacks as EXCUSES, you are characterizing those reasons as LIES. If you see the external explanation as LIES, then you, by default, see the internal causation theory as TRUTH.
As I said before, when one chooses the internal school of thought over the external school of though, one is essentially arguing the inferiority of blacks. Only blacks make excuses or have the excuse making gene and hence…..that’s our problem. Blacks understand what our problems are and what the solution is....whites just don't recognize or will not admit that they are racist in their rationalizations of black inferiority as the explanation for our problems. Why you are focusing, incorreclty on our problems and EXCUSES....you avoid your own issue with DENIAL.
Potato, potato; tomato, tomato. You say reason, I say excuse.
The TRUTH is, you are so hard headed that you refuse to admit that there are people who don't focus on black people and their self inflicted problems. We, as a whole, aren't going to slap you on the back and hand you a good life because your ancestors may or may not have been slaves. It has to be earned, just like for whites. If you aren't willing to earn it, it shouldn't be yours anyway. I know that if I didn't earn it, I'd be out in the cold.
Simple? Explain to me why its NOT CULTURALLY ACCEPTABLE AND EXPECTED for whites to make excuses for their own choices and blame someone else?
I am still not understand WHAT GENE in black DNA creates a propensity to create a culture where excuse making is endemic....but other races, like whites, have no such propensity in degree, if not kind, and therefore produce a superior less excuse making culture? In telling me what is wrong with black people....explain to me why it is more RIGHT with WHITES. You have not provided a ROOT explanation. You just keep pointing out what blacks do inferior to whites....but never explain why whites are superior. Why don't whites make excuses like blacks? You can't and will not answer that because the answer is your indictment. You just keep saying 6 + 6 then denying that you said 12.
1. Explain to me why its NOT CULTURALLY ACCEPTABLE AND EXPECTED for whites to make excuses for their own choices and blame someone else?
2. I am still not understand WHAT GENE in black DNA creates a propensity to create a culture where excuse making is endemic....but other races, like whites, have no such propensity in degree, if not kind, and therefore produce a superior less excuse making culture?
3. In telling me what is wrong with black people....explain to me why it is more RIGHT with WHITES. You have not provided a ROOT explanation.
4. You just keep pointing out what blacks do inferior to whites....but never explain why whites are superior.
5. Why don't whites make excuses like blacks?
1. Because we have had no one to blame but ourselves, and eventually you get tired of doing that.
2. Those are YOUR WORDS - nobody else's. So why not STOP LYING about it?
3. Who, but you, is saying there is anything MORE RIGHT with WHITES?
4. WRONG. It is YOU who keeps saying that blacks are inferior to whites. Nobody else.
5. Refer to answer #1.
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