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Old 01-30-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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But why won't fossil fuels be used 100 years from now mr coalman?
Phil it's inevitable that fossil fuels will be superseded by cheaper forms of energy , that's just fact. The only thing in question is when. Technology marches on.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Phil it's inevitable that fossil fuels will be superseded by cheaper forms of energy , that's just fact. The only thing in question is when. Technology marches on.
Like fusion eventually? I believe that hydrogen to helium fusion is the pinnacle and the top of the ladder for energy creation.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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Windmill and solar systems are certainly not large environmental problems. Coal is.
But you are completely ignoring that there is a HUGE amount of pollution created by mining the 500lbs of rare earth elements necessary for a windmill.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:04 PM
 
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But you are completely ignoring that there is a HUGE amount of pollution created by mining the 500lbs of rare earth elements necessary for a windmill.
LOL the statement is so naive.

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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Like fusion eventually? I believe that hydrogen to helium fusion is the pinnacle and the top of the ladder for energy creation.
Knowing the answer to that question Phil would be like having a crystal ball in the late 70's and seeing these boxes and television screens using something called Windows from a company called Microsoft.

No one knows but if I was gambling man my money would be on geo thermal.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Photovoltaic will be the ultimate winner. Its cost curve will soon dominate electricity production.

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:30 PM
 
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Photovoltaic will be the ultimate winner. Its cost curve will soon dominate electricity production.
Until we figure out how to make the sun shine 24/7 or you're going to invest heavily in ways to store that power (consequently driving the cost up) it's not going to happen. Solar is and always will be supplemental.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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Until we figure out how to make the sun shine 24/7 or you're going to invest heavily in ways to store that power (consequently driving the cost up) it's not going to happen. Solar is and always will be supplemental.
Wind will supply most of the night time energy and we have a large installed base of legacy machines. No worry.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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Wind will supply most of the night time energy and we have a large installed base of legacy machines. No worry.
You are leaving out the fact that a grid can have very little variation in the amount of power or else electrical devices will get fried.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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You are leaving out the fact that a grid can have very little variation in the amount of power or else electrical devices will get fried.
The grid is not at risk. Along with our generation expansion, we will continue to migrate the grid to a 21st century network, but in the overall scheme, transmission costs are chump change (about 5 cents on the retail dollar of electricity.)
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