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Old 02-06-2013, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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The grid is not at risk. Along with our generation expansion, we will continue to migrate the grid to a 21st century network, but in the overall scheme, transmission costs are chump change (about 5 cents on the retail dollar of electricity.)
Popular Science did not seem to think that the grid was risk free. They just published an article explaining how bad it was. They said it has gotten worse as time has gone on as the amount of power required has increased, yet the transmission lines have not been improved.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: DC
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Popular Science says it's a problem? Wow.......
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:19 PM
 
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Until we figure out how to make the sun shine 24/7 or you're going to invest heavily in ways to store that power (consequently driving the cost up) it's not going to happen. Solar is and always will be supplemental.
There are only two forms of energy that gives energy to all life on earth and that is Solar and Nuclear energy. Yes every form of energy can be attributed to these sources on earth.

With the rapid increase in the development in technology and the increase in availability of information to billions of minds, the storage solution for solar energy is at most 5 to 10 years away. We already see low cost energy solutions coming, MIT's liquid metal battery and GE's Durathon are just the tip of the iceberg.

The revolution in energy is coming, you have no choice, solar is going to be the least expensive and most robust form of energy, increasing sustainability and energy independance. The storage solution is the key enabler.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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There are only two forms of energy that gives energy to all life on earth and that is Solar and Nuclear energy. Yes every form of energy can be attributed to these sources on earth.

With the rapid increase in the development in technology and the increase in availability of information to billions of minds, the storage solution for solar energy is at most 5 to 10 years away. We already see low cost energy solutions coming, MIT's liquid metal battery and GE's Durathon are just the tip of the iceberg.

The revolution in energy is coming, you have no choice, solar is going to be the least expensive and most robust form of energy, increasing sustainability and energy independance. The storage solution is the key enabler.
No hydrogen to helium fusion is the least expensive, cleanest, most reliable, most sustainable, least polluting, safest, and simply all around best energy source IF and only IF it is possible to do it and we figure it out.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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There are only two forms of energy that gives energy to all life on earth and that is Solar and Nuclear energy. Yes every form of energy can be attributed to these sources on earth.

With the rapid increase in the development in technology and the increase in availability of information to billions of minds, the storage solution for solar energy is at most 5 to 10 years away. We already see low cost energy solutions coming, MIT's liquid metal battery and GE's Durathon are just the tip of the iceberg.

The revolution in energy is coming, you have no choice, solar is going to be the least expensive and most robust form of energy, increasing sustainability and energy independance. The storage solution is the key enabler.

Nobody on this board will be alive to see it
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:46 AM
 
Location: DC
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Nobody on this board will be alive to see it
You'll see it within 5 years. The price of solar modules has plummeted from $3-4/Watt to about $1/watt. It takes months to permit and install a solar station versus years for a coal or nuclear plant. Many solar installations are located within cities where power prices are highest and the need the greatest.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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You'll see it within 5 years. The price of solar modules has plummeted from $3-4/Watt to about $1/watt. It takes months to permit and install a solar station versus years for a coal or nuclear plant. Many solar installations are located within cities where power prices are highest and the need the greatest.
I guess it's time to get rid of the subsidies, mandates and green credits.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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It doesn't matter what coal "costs", the environmental damage is too high. We aren't going to build more coal fired plants in this country.
Yeh, I've yet to see energy pricing that incorporates all externalities. This applies to solar as well. What are the externalities of solar power, what do they cost? Any table of figures that ignores externalities is just drivel. It would be like a net profit for a company in the process of creating superfund sites. A huge part of the cost structure is just ignored.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: DC
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Yeh, I've yet to see energy pricing that incorporates all externalities. This applies to solar as well. What are the externalities of solar power, what do they cost? Any table of figures that ignores externalities is just drivel. It would be like a net profit for a company in the process of creating superfund sites. A huge part of the cost structure is just ignored.
You haven't looked.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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You haven't looked.
Um, and how do you know that? What looking have I done? Are you just guessing?
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