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Nothing else comes close to it in terms of practicality.
If diesel-hybrids do catch on with the public, all the better, I say. The more "green," "greener," and "greenest" technology cars on the road the better, as far as I'm concerned. I can see each finding its own market niche because of their differing characteristics.
But of course the hydrogen power cars we're discussing here in this thread, and the EVs being discussed in another thread will continue to evolve and improve and garner expanding awareness and market share, because they are true zero emission vehicles.
Since you are a fan of diesel-hybrids I suggest you start a thread on that topic.
There's all sorts of technology in the labs for improving lithium batteries -- ways to make them less explosive, ways to maintain the crystalline structure and thus last longer, order-of-magnitude density increases, faster charging. It seems like every week there's a hopeful article about some new advance.
I think it's just a matter of time before batteries win. When you can go 1000 miles on a 10-minute charge, why would you want hydrogen or any other fuel for that matter? Maybe as a supplement so you don't get stranded out in the desert without your solar recharger kit
There's all sorts of technology in the labs for improving lithium batteries -- ways to make them less explosive, ways to maintain the crystalline structure and thus last longer, order-of-magnitude density increases, faster charging. It seems like every week there's a hopeful article about some new advance.
I think it's just a matter of time before batteries win. When you can go 1000 miles on a 10-minute charge, why would you want hydrogen or any other fuel for that matter? Maybe as a supplement so you don't get stranded out in the desert without your solar recharger kit
This thread is dealing with FACTS concerning fuel cell vehicles rather than the FANTASY of yet-to-be developed EV vehicles...
This thread is dealing with FACTS concerning fuel cell vehicles rather than the FANTASY of yet-to-be developed EV vehicles...
Ok; I can buy at least 3 different makes of EV cars today. Where do I go to buy my fuel cell vehicle? And please, don't tell me I have to go to California; that's not gonna happen.
I think it's just a matter of time before batteries win. When you can go 1000 miles on a 10-minute charge, why would you want hydrogen or any other fuel for that matter? Maybe as a supplement so you don't get stranded out in the desert without your solar recharger kit
IF such a battery is developed and brought to market it will be very interesting indeed, but at the moment it does not exist. Meanwhile Honda has already had hydrogen powered cars on the streets in Southern California for more than 6 years. Now Toyota has announced plans for selling production hydrogen fuel cell cars by 2015, Honda and Hyundai have similar plans, while Ford, Daimler, Nissan-Renault, Land Rover and others are not far behind them.
Obviously it is very much a horse race at this point in time. Lots of different new technologies are emerging, but even the car manufacturers can't pick a clear winner.
“Five years on, we don’t think there’ll be any dominant technology but various different green technologies,†said Satoshi Ogiso, a managing officer at Toyota. “For Toyota, we try to be prepared for any kind of demand that’s expected to arise.â€
I think that's the best anyone can say right now.
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Ok; I can buy at least 3 different makes of EV cars today. Where do I go to buy my fuel cell vehicle? And please, don't tell me I have to go to California; that's not gonna happen.
Try to keep in mind that in the US almost anything to do with cars that is going to happen will happen in California first. It's the largest market for cars, accounting for 10% of the entire new car sales for the country. Californians, on average, spend large amounts of time in their cars, see their cars as an expression of personal status, and are willing to spend money on their "car image." Driving "green" is a valid "coolness" factor, second only to driving "expensive." They also have terrible traffic congestion and air pollution issues, and some of the toughest auto emissions laws anywhere.
That's why Toyota's announcement this week, keyed to the big Tokyo and LA Auto Shows, that they will bring production hydrogen fuel cell cars to market in 2015 is such a big deal, because of the strong leadership position they have in relationship to the whole market. I predict it will energize (heh) all the other players.
Ok; I can buy at least 3 different makes of EV cars today. Where do I go to buy my fuel cell vehicle? And please, don't tell me I have to go to California; that's not gonna happen.
So because YOU don't like California that means fuel cell vehicles don't exist...
Let me repost EXACTLY what you said I and what I replied to:
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I think it's just a matter of time before batteries win. When you can go 1000 miles on a 10-minute charge
Can you buy an EV car with the technology you talk about above?
NO
You CAN purchase fuel cell vehicles today, and if you bother to read what other people have posted here fuel cell vehicles will be on sale in more states than just California in a month and a half...
Where can you purchase an EV vehicle that goes 1,000 miles and takes 10 minutes to recharge today (other than in a drug induced fantasy)??????
Lots of nice links but at a quick look none answer the question (??kwh/100 miles) which would allow a comparison to an EV. Saw something about equivelent of 70 mpg while the Leaf gets over 100 mpge.
Did mention the Toyota FC will be around $50k compared to $30?K for the Leaf. And everyone already has access to electricity.
So maybe 45% more fuel costs and 66% more purchase cost.
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