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Collectively, the fact are very different. To the tune of well over a billion dollars a year different.
That money isn't going to everyone's pockets, it is going into just a few.
Failing to comprehend that makes the "pennies" idea rather lacking in the understanding of even basic economics.
If it is only pennies, then why doesn't everyone in the USA simply send you 10 cents? You'd be wealthy rather quickly. Yes, some of the less intelligent might send you 10 cents but most will not. Why not?
Because you did nothing to earn it nor provide any benefit to the giver.
Charging you for something you were already and still do pay for isn't providing you with a benefit is it?
If it is truly only pennies, then why don't those who claim that to be so simply pay up and pay the pennies for everyone else and solve this problem immediately?
This is the failure to think through even the simplest of processes because the entire process is designed not to do anything but obtain revenue.
Yes, yes, that is your assertion, but without any proof it's just talk, and we all know how cheap talk is.
My analysis is that whoever designed the system was trying to enforce the rules systematically so that clerks and customers couldn't easily defeat the system. It may not have been well thought out, but there's no evidence it is designed to increase revenues, because all one needs to do is bring their own bag(s), which is what most people do once a "flimsy plastic bag" ban has been in place for a while.
Did you read the surveys about user attitudes? Only a tiny minority agree with you, so why do you think repeating the same baseless claims over and over will give you different results?
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The environment? There is no concern for the environment when it comes to bans like this.
Try again. This is all ABOUT the environment. It's about ordinary people's frustration with the visible pollution of our cities and countryside and waterways by a form of packaging that is easily replaced by others. It truly is not about the pennies, and you've never presented any evidence, nor even any convincing argument that it is. It's about eliminating a pest because the public wants it.
Meanwhile there is plenty of evidence that this form of bag ban does result in a dramatic reduction in the problem, so expect to see more of these bans enacted in the future.
Over a billion dollars a year is revenue. That is a fact. A dispute of that fact requires information to the contrary, and not based on opinion.
If the stores charge people for bags, will they not just charge the people actually taking them?
I see this only being a problem in states that tax or ban specific bags. Walmart does not currently charge customers for bags, they pick up the tab for those. Walmart is thinking about imposing a charge for their bags if they are taxed and/or banned, in that case they say they will charge the customers that use bags for bags, not everyone else.
I'm a bit confused by your statements. Why would stores charge everyone for bags when they are not using bags and the stores themselves state they are NOT charging customers for bags?
Over a billion dollars a year is revenue. That is a fact. A dispute of that fact requires information to the contrary, and not based on opinion.
But you haven't posted any proof. As far as I am concerned, until you prove that claim, it's just another bogus number pulled out of thin air. If you state something as a fact, it's up to you to offer proof of your claim if challenged. That's just 101 level Debate rules.
If the stores charge people for bags, will they not just charge the people actually taking them?
I see this only being a problem in states that tax or ban specific bags. Walmart does not currently charge customers for bags, they pick up the tab for those. Walmart is thinking about imposing a charge for their bags if they are taxed and/or banned, in that case they say they will charge the customers that use bags for bags, not everyone else.
I'm a bit confused by your statements. Why would stores charge everyone for bags when they are not using bags and the stores themselves state they are NOT charging customers for bags?
Previous to the ban, everyone could get a bag, it was factored into the price of goods sold.
After the ban, you either bring in your own bag (your expense of course) or you pay for a bag.
In all cases, the stores have not reduced the price of their goods sold since they no longer include the bag cost in the price of goods sold.
Therefore, it does not matter if you bring in a bag or not, the store is profiting from the ban on bags because it no longer has to provide bags unless you pay for them. If you pay for a bag then in effect you pay twice since the price of the bag is already included in the price of goods sold, they are just now charging you for something you've always paid for and continue to pay for.
In other terms:
Your bill for groceries before the ban: $100.00 bag included.
Your bill for groceries after the ban: $100.00 bag not included.
Take the typical charge being touted as the price of a bag which is applied to all customers since it is factored into the price already:
Over a billion dollars per year.(I stated the more precise number in a previous post.
Previous to the ban, everyone could get a bag, it was factored into the price of goods sold.
After the ban, you either bring in your own bag (your expense of course) or you pay for a bag.
In all cases, the stores have not reduced the price of their goods sold since they no longer include the bag cost in the price of goods sold.
Therefore, it does not matter if you bring in a bag or not, the store is profiting from the ban on bags because it no longer has to provide bags unless you pay for them. If you pay for a bag then in effect you pay twice since the price of the bag is already included in the price of goods sold, they are just now charging you for something you've always paid for and continue to pay for.
In other terms:
Your bill for groceries before the ban: $100.00 bag included.
Your bill for groceries after the ban: $100.00 bag not included.
Take the typical charge being touted as the price of a bag which is applied to all customers since it is factored into the price already:
Over a billion dollars per year.(I stated the more precise number in a previous post.
Who gets the billion plus dollars?
See, this is where you are wrong. Walmart specifically states that they do not charge their customers for plastic bags. I find it hard to go off of your hearsay. Do you have any evidence they do charge?
Check your electric bill. Everyone gets one. There is a service fee you pay that doesn't include any cost for electric. It is a fee for the service connection.
Now imagine the power company starts charging you for a meter fee when that was included before. It is only 10 cents. No big deal to you right? Of course. Guess who it is a big deal for? The power company. Why? Because they are collecting it from everyone, not just you.
The bag ban works the same way except the stores had no way to charge you a fee for bags you were already being charged for in the price of items you buy. Along comes the ban and voila, a ready made excuse to stop providing bags.
Wouldn't you think that if it becomes illegal to provide plastic bags that they would simply continue to provide the paper bags just like they always have done? Well now, the law banning plastic bags contained a little scam in it. The stores get to charge you for the paper bag they were already charging you for. They are now charging you twice. Once in the price you pay for items and then again if you want a paper bag.
Don't want a paper bag? Ok. What happened to the money they already figure into the price of items you pay for? That bag cost is still in there. That applies to the 60 million people who visit a grocery store every day.
60 million X 10 cents. Most customers need more than one bag too.
The math isn't difficult. What is difficult for some is that they already bought into and support the effort because they support any effort so long as someone tells them it is beneficial for the environment. That is might not actually provide that result means nothing, they've already invested themselves into believing something and can't really come to grips with the reality of the situation. After all, who wants to admit this is a scam when they support it?
If plastic was the real issue, then what about all the plastic wrapped grocery items going into now paper or recyclable bags? No one wants to talk about that. Oh no, that if a different issue.
Go ahead, the next time you go grocery shopping look at what you bought and think about how much plastic is in that thin plastic bag vs all the other plastics wrapping foods. That styrofoam liner holding meats? Can't be recycled. The plastic wrap on meats and most other things? Can't be recycled.
In fact, much of the plastic being used to contain food items can't be recycled yet this scam of a bag ban was bought hook line and sinker by some who now support it even in the face of facts showing that more than a billion dollar per year goes into the pockets of the largest grocery food chains.
Now add in all the other stores selling everything else and it isn't hard to see how many billions upon billions were simply given away in the name of being "green".
There is a reason why the movement or idea is called "going green". Green is the color of money.
You're dodging the question at hand. What stores charge for plastic bags?
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