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Old 11-18-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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Four of the eight posts refer to windmills.
I'm curious what you think is being milled?
Some are stuck in decades past, they like the cute windmills in yards and stuff like that.
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Old 11-18-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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Windmill


Industrial installation of wind turbines
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Old 11-18-2014, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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[hurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lb6VeMaXy8]Wind Turbine Kills The Bird !! - YouTube[/hurl]
Sorry for this bird, even if he was only injured or just knocked out (we don't actually know) but overall this issue is overblown.

Powerlines, moving cars, housecats and buildings with glass windows all kill hundreds of millions of birds every year. The US Fish & Wildlife Survey estimates that over a billion birds a year are killed by flying into the sides of buildings.

At least wind farm operators are trying to minimize the problem by careful siting around migratory routes, the use of various technologies to detect bird activity and feather the turbines, or to scare them away, etc.
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Old 11-18-2014, 11:00 PM
 
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Sorry for this bird, even if he was only injured or just knocked out (we don't actually know) but overall this issue is overblown.

Powerlines, moving cars, housecats and buildings with glass windows all kill hundreds of millions of birds every year. The US Fish & Wildlife Survey estimates that over a billion birds a year are killed by flying into the sides of buildings.

At least wind farm operators are trying to minimize the problem by careful siting around migratory routes, the use of various technologies to detect bird activity and feather the turbines, or to scare them away, etc.
But that was a bird of prey! And it didn't looked knocked out. It never ends: bats with barotrauma, rural residents with insomnia and downright danger when manufacturing doesn't meet engineering turning them into 80 foot katanas and 160 foot throwing stars. Remember when renewable energy meant we got a lake? Where is the new win win?
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Old 11-18-2014, 11:30 PM
 
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It's wing was clipped off!
Comparing hundreds of wind turbines to Hollands wind mills.
You're kidding right.lol
Without the government subsidies [which by the way we pay for] these wind-solar projects would be extinct.
It's so ironic the same "so called green" techno-junkies won't let a dam kill a few fish, but wind or solar can kill many bird's..
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:57 AM
 
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But that was a bird of prey! And it didn't looked knocked out. It never ends: bats with barotrauma, rural residents with insomnia and downright danger when manufacturing doesn't meet engineering turning them into 80 foot katanas and 160 foot throwing stars. Remember when renewable energy meant we got a lake? Where is the new win win?
New hydropower in the US is unlikely. We're actually headed the other way, taking out dams whose useful life has ended, and restoring native habitats. Plus, the long drought we've been in has pretty much sidelined a lot of dams due to low water levels.

But stop, think... where does the energy to drive hydropower come from? From the natural cycle of the sun, evaporating water to form clouds that are blown by the wind over land, to drop water as rain in high places, where the force of gravity pulls it downward, creating an energy potential, etc... like we all learned in middle school science classes.

Harvesting sunlight is getting that energy from the source, and harvesting the wind is getting the energy of the sun one step removed. Hydropower is getting it three steps removed, but it requires water, which is a diminishing resource in many parts of the world, and requires huge pieces of land to form those lakes and reservoirs people like to go boating on, so we can't count on it. But the sun, and the wind, they go on, day after day.

Meanwhile the win-win for solar and wind is that they don't pollute the atmosphere. In our time we really need to keep our eye on that particular prize, because everything depends on it. The latest UN report projects that we face mass extinctions of countless plants and animals if we don't get our climate under control.

And you'r worrying about a few birds of prey and bats running into turbine blades?
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:16 AM
 
Location: DC
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Industrial installation of wind turbines
Both are beautiful. I find modern wind turbine to be incredibly graceful.
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:20 AM
 
Location: DC
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It's wing was clipped off!
Comparing hundreds of wind turbines to Hollands wind mills.
You're kidding right.lol
Without the government subsidies [which by the way we pay for] these wind-solar projects would be extinct.
It's so ironic the same "so called green" techno-junkies won't let a dam kill a few fish, but wind or solar can kill many bird's..
LOL. Here is the alternative. Which would you choose: wind turbine or coal ash pond?

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Old 11-19-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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But that was a bird of prey! And it didn't looked knocked out. It never ends: bats with barotrauma, rural residents with insomnia and downright danger when manufacturing doesn't meet engineering turning them into 80 foot katanas and 160 foot throwing stars. Remember when renewable energy meant we got a lake? Where is the new win win?
It is one bird.
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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Looking out my windows right now I can see refinery stacks spewing smoke and an array of wind turbines. I greatly prefer the wind turbines.
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