Losing Earth: The Decade We Almost Stopped Climate Change (Pittsburgh, Columbia, Utah)
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What baffles me is that so few people who attribute climate change to human activity alter their own activity in response. I detest what humans have done to the world, but I make sure I am not part of the problem. If you insist that you can't live in less than a climate controlled, 2500 sq ft house, if you have no problem with your overpackaged Amazon purchase or your own hundred little daily wastes, then you have no place in the discussion. If just the people who believe that their actions are impacting the climate did what they believe is the right thing, then there would be no reason for government intervention.
There is a huge range in between those who completely deny that we are at the beginning of a radical change in climate and those who believe that there is sufficient water trapped in ice to raise the sea level 300ft. Personally, I think human beings will be extinct for other reasons, long before the earth's climate makes it uninhabitable. Multiple ancient ruins are make it obvious that humans have faced near extinction many times in the not so distant past - the Incas, the Anastasi, the Easter Islanders and who knows how many more, all caused their near demise by their own actions and it had nothing to do with climate.
.... humans have faced near extinction many times in the not so distant past - the Incas, the Anastasi, the Easter Islanders and who knows how many more, all caused their near demise by their own actions and it had nothing to do with climate.
Don't confuse fall of civilizations with extinction-- it's not even close... and BTW-- all those you listed were heavily influenced by changing climate.
Fall of civilizations has to do with loss of power & control by the ruling class.
Hmmm.... Power & Control. ....Regulations, fascism...Liberal Agenda.... Makes you wonder.
Don't confuse fall of civilizations with extinction-- it's not even close... and BTW-- all those you listed were heavily influenced by changing climate.
I has to do with outstripping resources in the days when you couldn't import food just because you had overpopulated and couldn't just pick up and rebuild when you had fouled your nest. Those I mentioned had all stripped the landscape bare for miles around.
What baffles me is that so few people who attribute climate change to human activity alter their own activity in response. I detest what humans have done to the world, but I make sure I am not part of the problem. If you insist that you can't live in less than a climate controlled, 2500 sq ft house, if you have no problem with your overpackaged Amazon purchase or your own hundred little daily wastes, then you have no place in the discussion. If just the people who believe that their actions are impacting the climate did what they believe is the right thing, then there would be no reason for government intervention.
There is a huge range in between those who completely deny that we are at the beginning of a radical change in climate and those who believe that there is sufficient water trapped in ice to raise the sea level 300ft. Personally, I think human beings will be extinct for other reasons, long before the earth's climate makes it uninhabitable. Multiple ancient ruins are make it obvious that humans have faced near extinction many times in the not so distant past - the Incas, the Anastasi, the Easter Islanders and who knows how many more, all caused their near demise by their own actions and it had nothing to do with climate.
I reject your philosophy. I believe in living life to the fullest, enjoying all the pleasantries and luxuries that we have designed to make our lives better. I want it warm in the winter and cool in the summer. Air conditioning is a good thing. I want fast delivery from Amazon in thoroughly padded packaging so that the contents do not break. I want to buy and drive a nice comfortable car that uses gasoline and gets me to where I want to go comfortably and nicely. I reject the philosophy that we are to curtail and suppress our lives for invisible legions of non-existent future people. We don’t owe non-existent people a single thing. Technology and innovation can give us a planet of material extravagance while also allowing adaptation to natural climate change. So basically I reject the philosophy of militant conservation and intentional self-deprivation. It is a loser philosophy of failure and self-denial. You can live that way in a free country. But others may choose a different path. The good news in a free society is that neither of us can force the other how to live. I know that armageddonists hate freedom, but it is freedom that protects us from irrational armageddonism.
I reject your philosophy. I believe in living life to the fullest, enjoying all the pleasantries and luxuries that we have designed to make our lives better. I want it warm in the winter and cool in the summer. Air conditioning is a good thing. I want fast delivery from Amazon in thoroughly padded packaging so that the contents do not break. I want to buy and drive a nice comfortable car that uses gasoline and gets me to where I want to go comfortably and nicely. I reject the philosophy that we are to curtail and suppress our lives for invisible legions of non-existent future people. We don’t owe non-existent people a single thing. Technology and innovation can give us a planet of material extravagance while also allowing adaptation to natural climate change. So basically I reject the philosophy of militant conservation and intentional self-deprivation. It is a loser philosophy of failure and self-denial. You can live that way in a free country. But others may choose a different path. The good news in a free society is that neither of us can force the other how to live. I know that armageddonists hate freedom, but it is freedom that protects us from irrational armageddonism.
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella
I soooooo agree with this ������
So you're telling us that you are a self-centered, greedy wallowing sybarite who lives your day to day lifestyle in spiritual degeneration and physical corruption without a care for any other living thing on earth. Based on what you've just said about yourself I visualize you having slippery greasy poison oozing and dripping out of every pore in your body too.
Your philosophy, lifestyle and action is the opposite, the exact antithesis of everything that the Green Living philosophy espouses and stands up for. Everything you have described above in such a bald-faced manner promotes the willful destruction of all life on earth.
At least you are honest about your intentions, but why are you proselytizing your fanatical sybaritic philosophy in the Green Living forum? Are you hoping to further corrupt and convert some others to join you on your trip to that place ������ that you admire and promote so much and are headed for?
It is not my philosophy to enforce anything on anyone. But, I have more respect for those who walk the walk. If you believe your behavior has a negative impact, then why are you behaving that way? If you don't, then you are free to choose that. You can't claim to have environmentalist ideals and live the opposite. Example: Leonardo DiCaprio flying his private jet halfway across the world to pick up an 'eco-award'
What I KNOW to be a fact is that in the 70's/80's (because I was there) you couldn't eat a fish from any body of water in the country. Lake Erie actually caught fire - the oil and chemicals floating on the surface were so dense. That you couldn't touch any surface in a big city without getting black residue on your hands from the smog in the air. Now it's not like that for two reasons A. environmental laws and B. our industry going to China and taking it's smog with it.
I reject your philosophy. I believe in living life to the fullest, enjoying all the pleasantries and luxuries that we have designed to make our lives better. I want it warm in the winter and cool in the summer. Air conditioning is a good thing. I want fast delivery from Amazon in thoroughly padded packaging so that the contents do not break. I want to buy and drive a nice comfortable car that uses gasoline and gets me to where I want to go comfortably and nicely. I reject the philosophy that we are to curtail and suppress our lives for invisible legions of non-existent future people. We don’t owe non-existent people a single thing. Technology and innovation can give us a planet of material extravagance while also allowing adaptation to natural climate change. So basically I reject the philosophy of militant conservation and intentional self-deprivation. It is a loser philosophy of failure and self-denial. You can live that way in a free country. But others may choose a different path. The good news in a free society is that neither of us can force the other how to live. I know that armageddonists hate freedom, but it is freedom that protects us from irrational armageddonism.
So you're telling us that you are a self-centered, greedy wallowing sybarite who lives your day to day lifestyle in spiritual degeneration and physical corruption without a care for any other living thing on earth. Based on what you've just said about yourself I visualize you having slippery greasy poison oozing and dripping out of every pore in your body too.
Your philosophy, lifestyle and action is the opposite, the exact antithesis of everything that the Green Living philosophy espouses and stands up for. Everything you have described above in such a bald-faced manner promotes the willful destruction of all life on earth.
At least you are honest about your intentions, but why are you proselytizing your fanatical sybaritic philosophy in the Green Living forum? Are you hoping to further corrupt and convert some others to join you on your trip to that place ������ that you admire and promote so much and are headed for?
I disagree that living well materially is incompatible with living responsibly. I think we can have both. And we can have both in a self-centered egoistic Capitalistic society with freedom and individual rights at the core of our values. To the degree that Green Living is rights respecting and based on Capitalism, I can agree with certain aspects. But when Green Living becomes socialism, statism, coercion, compulsion, collectivism, and tyranny, I must act to stop it.
So you're telling us that you are a self-centered, greedy wallowing sybarite who lives your day to day lifestyle in spiritual degeneration and physical corruption without a care for any other living thing on earth. Based on what you've just said about yourself I visualize you having slippery greasy poison oozing and dripping out of every pore in your body too.
Your philosophy, lifestyle and action is the opposite, the exact antithesis of everything that the Green Living philosophy espouses and stands up for. Everything you have described above in such a bald-faced manner promotes the willful destruction of all life on earth.
At least you are honest about your intentions, but why are you proselytizing your fanatical sybaritic philosophy in the Green Living forum? Are you hoping to further corrupt and convert some others to join you on your trip to that place ������ that you admire and promote so much and are headed for?
Yes, s/he wants to flaunt the wanton, greedy, foul and totally self-centered lifestyle. Pigs are not ashamed to roll around in the mud and they think it is wonderful. Rats love garbage, and maggots prefer to eat corpses. It is as if one makes a covenant with death for themselves and those around them.
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It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion with fanatics.
