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80% of the population lives in urban areas. That's the target market for evs. As evs increase their market share, ice vehicles will get more specialized and expensive. Those who think they are making a statement with their pickup trucks will just become more of a laughing stock.
80% of the population lives in urban areas. That's the target market for evs. As evs increase their market share, ice vehicles will get more specialized and expensive. Those who think they are making a statement with their pickup trucks will just become more of a laughing stock.
Good point.
But will you still be laughing at the dumb rural folk when the price of a loaf of bread hits $30 and you & your pretentious urban elites are starving and fighting like rats for crumbs? But at least you'll be able to drive your smart EVs around looking for food.
But will you still be laughing at the dumb rural folk when the price of a loaf of bread hits $30 and you & your pretentious urban elites are starving and fighting like rats for crumbs? But at least you'll be able to drive your smart EVs around looking for food.
You reveal your complete lack of economics understanding when you postulate that someone is going to control the market for wheat. It is and always has been a buyers market. Farmers are the help.
Hi all,
I'm new to the forum and looking forward to contribute.
It is a great step into the right direction that EV's have a lower carbon footprint, however it's obviously not a complete solution to the larger issue of damage all carbon emissions together cause.
Really it comes down to changing the entire system, which includes our buying habits and such.
A car should be built sustainable throughout all stages, and a huge aspect of that solution would be to make them more modular - so that single parts can easily be replaced and upgraded - thus far less new cars will be produced. It all goes back to consumerism.
You reveal your complete lack of economics understanding when you postulate that someone is going to control the market for wheat. It is and always has been a buyers market. Farmers are the help.
When people ask you where your food comes from, you answer "From the super market," don't you?
I'll type slowly here, so you have a better chance of catching on: farmers are just getting by as it is now. If the price of fuel goes up much, or availability goes down, or the price of machinery goes up, more of them will quit farming. If more quit farming, there will be lower yearly production. Lower production means higher food prices and less food available. Pretty simple supply & demand problem. You city elite will be scrounging around, pillaging for food, dumpster diving in your suits & ties.
So, there's a dilemma: if we go with more EV to the point that delivery of petroleum/NG at good prices suffers, food production will go down precipitously.(My earlier figures show that farming with EVs is never going to happen.) Farming is not like manufacturing, where falling demand means lay-offs & downsizing to reduce production. Farming is more of an all-or-nothing situation.
There's an old joke among farmers: one wins the big, multimillion dollar lottery. The news reporter asks him what he's going to do now? He answers "I'll keep right on farming...at least until the money runs out."
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When people ask you where your food comes from, you answer "From the super market," don't you?
I'll type slowly here, so you have a better chance of catching on: farmers are just getting by as it is now. If the price of fuel goes up much, or availability goes down, or the price of machinery goes up, more of them will quit farming. If more quit farming, there will be lower yearly production. Lower production means higher food prices and less food available. Pretty simple supply & demand problem. You city elite will be scrounging around, pillaging for food, dumpster diving in your suits & ties.
So, there's a dilemma: if we go with more EV to the point that delivery of petroleum/NG at good prices suffers, food production will go down precipitously.(My earlier figures show that farming with EVs is never going to happen.) Farming is not like manufacturing, where falling demand means lay-offs & downsizing to reduce production. Farming is more of an all-or-nothing situation.
There's an old joke among farmers: one wins the big, multimillion dollar lottery. The news reporter asks him what he's going to do now? He answers "I'll keep right on farming...at least until the money runs out."
Farm products are a cost based industry where the supply usually exceeds the demand. There are times when extreme weather reduces the supply and their are shortages, but there are never shortages because farmers stop farming. We export about 1/2 our wheat so there is twice as much grown here as we consume. It will remain plentiful.
What is the long term impact of enough wind turbines to provide a significant part of our demand? Does slowing the wind have environmental impacts or not?
Same for solar, what is the long term impact of covering great swaths of earth with solar panels? Does it drop the temperature in a meaningful way of the earth under neath it?
The OP stopped short of describing the full life cycle for vehicles, that is the disposal of them at the end of their use or when damaged beyond economic repair. Is there a meaningful difference in safely disposal of batteries vs an ICE engine etc?
Mother nature does not provide renewable energy sources where and when we need it so storage of energy requires more for solar or wind based energy sources or not?
What is the long term impact of enough wind turbines to provide a significant part of our demand? Does slowing the wind have environmental impacts or not?
Same for solar, what is the long term impact of covering great swaths of earth with solar panels? Does it drop the temperature in a meaningful way of the earth under neath it?
The OP stopped short of describing the full life cycle for vehicles, that is the disposal of them at the end of their use or when damaged beyond economic repair. Is there a meaningful difference in safely disposal of batteries vs an ICE engine etc?
Mother nature does not provide renewable energy sources where and when we need it so storage of energy requires more for solar or wind based energy sources or not?
Batteries are recycled
Sun shines during the day and wind blows during the night. Hydro, biomass, geothermal are available 24/7.
When people ask you where your food comes from, you answer "From the super market," don't you?
When I want a loaf of bread I go to the grocery store.
When I want to read a book, I turn on a light connected to the grid.
When I'm cold I turn up the thermostat and natural gas is provided to my furnace.
When I want to be entertained I turn on the TV.
Engineers have made the world a wonderful place. Haven't they.
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