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Daytime is the peak load because of industrial and office uses. Daytime home electrical use is minimal, because people are at work and nobody is home to use electricity. Peak home use lasts for about an hour starting at 7 AM and for a couple of hours after 6 PM. If you want to burn forests, those are the hours when you would have to do it. Coal and nukes are dying, and come nowhere near meeting demand. That is why new natural gas and wind facilities are being built.
The peak is when it is and especially in the summer, that's daytime. It's a myth that no one is home, children, retirees, work at home professionals are all in the home. But ultimately, that doesn't matter. PV fits the daytime peak better than wind. In many areas wind resource is stronger at night, which complements, not competes, with pv.
What creates a need for some storage is that the daytime peak is not synchronous with sunlight peak. There's a "market" for 2-3 hours of storage, which is being filled currently by single cycle gas.
There's a "market" for 2-3 hours of storage, which is being filled currently by single cycle gas.
On the various homesteading/survivalist fora, the question is frequently asked about investing in solar equipment as small scale back-up for when the grid goes down in a SHTF situation.....I suggest that if you're going to spend money on hardware, you may as well use it, even if it's not supplying all your needs....
...Isn't that a legitimate argument (in reverse) about NG back-up for solar? If you make this big capital outlay for equipment, why not just use it? Who buys a 2nd car and stores it in the garage just in case the 1st one breaks down?
We won't get into the pitfalls of trying to store electricity in industrial quantities.
On the various homesteading/survivalist fora, the question is frequently asked about investing in solar equipment as small scale back-up for when the grid goes down in a SHTF situation.....I suggest that if you're going to spend money on hardware, you may as well use it, even if it's not supplying all your needs....
...Isn't that a legitimate argument (in reverse) about NG back-up for solar? If you make this big capital outlay for equipment, why not just use it? Who buys a 2nd car and stores it in the garage just in case the 1st one breaks down?
We won't get into the pitfalls of trying to store electricity in industrial quantities.
Natural gas makes a good backup. Way more expensive that solar or wind so you use it when you need it.
Natural gas makes a good backup. Way more expensive that solar or wind so you use it when you need it.
Expensive is losing everything you own to a major forest fire. Would you want to start over with nothing? Some of us have spent a lifetime maintaining our houses, property, and vehicles and somethings destroyed in a fire can never be replaced. Then you have the other problem of maybe going for days without electricity. Or even losing a family member due to falling limbs or trees.
I just think it is a great cause to try to come up with a solution on what to do with so much dead wood. I also do not think that the people living in our cities are totally out of danger or inconvenience from this problem. If we can turn wood into pellets and ship them to Europe it has to have some value.
In fact, the values presented for the US projected cost make wind, solar and CCG about the same, even with a "co2 weighting" factored in (BS) against CCG.. Add in a weighting factor for reliability and it's hard to justify alternatives to gas.
In regards the OP-- biomass is the most expensive way to go.
Catching up on my reading this AM and came across this regarding cost of CCGT vs Renewables. Scroll down to Comments by Joe Born.
He calculates based on the experience in Texas, a state with excellent conditions for wind generation, that coupling CCGT as back up for wind almost doubles its cost vs just running CCGT full time. ...and benefit to the environment of using wind/CCGT is not only negligible, but ridiculously expensive. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/...wind-or-solar/
Catching up on my reading this AM and came across this regarding cost of CCGT vs Renewables. Scroll down to Comments by Joe Born.
He calculates based on the experience in Texas, a state with excellent conditions for wind generation, that coupling CCGT as back up for wind almost doubles its cost vs just running CCGT full time. ...and benefit to the environment of using wind/CCGT is not only negligible, but ridiculously expensive. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/...wind-or-solar/
Combined cycle is losing ground to aero-derivative simple cycle CT's and more often NG rice units....
In fact, the values presented for the US projected cost make wind, solar and CCG about the same, even with a "co2 weighting" factored in (BS) against CCG.. Add in a weighting factor for reliability and it's hard to justify alternatives to gas.
In regards the OP-- biomass is the most expensive way to go.
I am asking how to settle several problems with the same stone. You look at the devastation from fires this year and the disruption to the lives of so many and surely there must be a better way. With all of the invasive pest it will only get worse.
In fact, the values presented for the US projected cost make wind, solar and CCG about the same, even with a "co2 weighting" factored in (BS) against CCG.. Add in a weighting factor for reliability and it's hard to justify alternatives to gas.
In regards the OP-- biomass is the most expensive way to go.
pretty obvious based on your source
In April 2020, Bloomberg New Energy Finance found "Solar PV and onshore wind are now the cheapest sources of new-build generation for at least two-thirds of the global population. Those two-thirds live in locations that comprise 71% of gross domestic product and 85% of energy generation. Battery storage is now the cheapest new-build technology for peaking purposes (up to two-hours of discharge duration) in gas-importing regions, like Europe, China or Japan."
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