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Interesrting data, but let's put it in perspective--
A range oif 68 miles a decade ago was a joke. Today, an EV with a range of 300 miles can fill a major niche-- How many of us frequently make trips of more than that?....But--if you run out of gas, you can fetch a gallon easiy and get on the road again fairly quickly....Running out of charge on the road is a bigger problem. Plan ahead is always good advice.
Prices of cars & batteries-- New tech always costs more at first. They gotta get a quick return on the R&D costs. Digtial watches cost $10K in the early 70s when they first appeared on the market (the price of a new Cadillac)...Three years later, they were free with a fill-up at the Purple Maritn Gas Station.
Portion of sales-- I'm not terribly impressed with growth from 0 % to 2% over the course of a decade -- and most of the 2% now is as a second car for virtue signaling purposes. EVs are not the better mousetrap for most people according to the market. The govt should not be forcing them on us. If one fills your needs, go for it.
I have to wonder about the credibility of the statement that the economy will be helped by EVs-- Doesn't it take fewer laborers to manufacture cars with fewer parts? For every job created by making EVs, wouldn't more than one job be lost in the old ICE manufacturing plants? Fewer repairs = fewer replacement parts = fewer manufacturing & repair jobs. Somebody is lying to us.
I assume you're trying to play Devil's Advocate here? Yours is but one perspective and not a very persuasive one. Any gas station that hopes to stay in business and remain profitable is already installing chargers. Shell and BP stations in particular. Several near me.
I can't wait for a free battery or maybe even a car, with every box of Kellog's Corn Flakes, if that's where you think it's going.
Don't worry, the US will eventually close the gap with China & Europe, but not overtake. Consider both the number and size of carmakers and countries that have so far committed to phasing out the ICE.
Tesla alone has created 70,000 new jobs. Battery makers and software writers will add to that.
You obviously have not lived in west Texas. I did for 13 years. The wind blows the most during daylight hours. As the sun goes down, the wind speeds drop dramatically.
Cannot figure how to follow to not forget something(s) that are not even true to begin with.
Even if your claims ever were true -- they are not -- it is now 2021, and you are way past stale date.
Battery and charging -- High percentage of EV owners have Solar, and high percentage of Solar owners have PV. It is the smart package deal that drops the fuel costs to near zero. More so all the time. Biggest decision for most is which to get first.
"Info-graphic" (yeah, well) here. By 2014, 39% (and climbing) in California. We see more of this daily.
Meanwhile 100% of Oil burning ICEs actually still do burn enough trash into the air that you can not even survive 5 minutes in a closed garage with one.
But even for Grid-Powered EVs -- Coal has now dropped below 20% on the Grid, and is still falling on the way to Zero, and even Gas has stalled out. Biggest New Generation build is Solar PV, followed by Wind, and then (down below 16%) is Gas, with Zero New Coal.
Since the Grid is always operating on what has been built in the prior 0 to 50 years, the mix is always changing. In this case, much for the better. By 2050, with the current trendlines -- Coal will be gone (actually disappear by about 2030), Old (by then) Gas will just be sitting mothballed and unused, and Existing Nukes will be down to about half of present, with few-to-none New Nukes being built.
And btw -- Big Wind produces best at night.
You better contact the Federal Energy Information Administration with your projections. They obviously have it wrong. They seem to thnk renewables will only be providing 42% of our elctricity by 2050 with coal still used for 11% . https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/11/...ed-prediction/
BTW- that's the second time you've rather stupidly refered to "being locked in a garage with a running engine." ...Just because it's possible to drown in a swimming pool doesn't mean we should eliminate the public water supply....Your EV could electrocute you, too. Dumb argument. Detracts further from your waning, biased credibility.
You better contact the Federal Energy Information Administration with your projections. They obviously have it wrong. They seem to thnk renewables will only be providing 42% of our elctricity by 2050 with coal still used for 11% . https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/11/...ed-prediction/
EIA for future modeling has had a known bug for some decades. We all tend to know and understand the modeling error.
They use linear progression (first order, if you recall algebra equations) in a non-linear world. They are partly under political pressure to do so, as it favors the status quo.
Real world makes transitions via e^x models. You recall those? Makes for what is sometimes called an "S-curve" or "Sigmoid," or sometimes a "logistics curve." Wiki on that if you like >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function
You ever see any Toby Seba? He covers the concept pretty well.
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BTW- that's the second time you've rather stupidly refered to "being locked in a garage with a running engine." ...Just because it's possible to drown in a swimming pool doesn't mean we should eliminate the public water supply....Your EV could electrocute you, too. Dumb argument. Detracts further from your waning, biased credibility.
Not so much. Change in the NEC. (National Electric Code) Now has GFIC for all plugs and chargers. Not that it tended to be a problem to start with. Has been California Building Code for some years prior, but now the NEC, as well.
You obviously have not lived in west Texas. I did for 13 years. The wind blows the most during daylight hours. As the sun goes down, the wind speeds drop dramatically.
Texas most of the time for the last 30 years or so.
East, West, North, and South.
I actually work Energy (of all sorts, Big Wind, too) here in Texas.
You might have wanted to stay up late to see the show.
At night the wind "lifts" from the near ground, and in the big Turbine heights, night is the daily peak.
I am not trying to debate you. You can see the numbers. We have done the study for years now, and it still the same.
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Cannot figure how to follow to not forget something(s) that are not even true to begin with.
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Meanwhile 100% of Oil burning ICEs actually still do burn enough trash into the air that you can not even survive 5 minutes in a closed garage with one.
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WRONG (not true)... possibly die using a GAS (ick) ICE in an enclosed Garage, but not a diesel.
Gasoline as fuel in an ICE, if well tuned, will produce about 10,000x more CO than a Diesel engine...
But more impotyantly here-- It's a DUMB argument-- Whoever is stupid enough to run an engine indoors where the exhaust is concentrted deserves to have their genes expunged from the gene pool....NOBODY gets CO poisoning from an ICE running in a well ventilated space.
At the same time, if you on insist on using this line of reasoning about risks of ICEs, then you must consider the risk of electrocution from an EV...One has a choice of whether or not they run an ICE indoors, but in a MVA the occupants have no choice about where twisted and bent metal of frame pieces will land-- like across the battery terminals, etc....First responders are also in danger during rescue efforts and it may prevent a rescue too.
So your argument is doubly stupid-- little risk and easily manageable for the ICE. Greater risk and less manageable for the EV.
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