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Old 11-19-2021, 07:33 AM
 
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Gasoline as fuel in an ICE, if well tuned, will produce about 10,000x more CO than a Diesel engine...

But more impotyantly here-- It's a DUMB argument-- Whoever is stupid enough to run an engine indoors where the exhaust is concentrted deserves to have their genes expunged from the gene pool....NOBODY gets CO poisoning from an ICE running in a well ventilated space.

At the same time, if you on insist on using this line of reasoning about risks of ICEs, then you must consider the risk of electrocution from an EV...One has a choice of whether or not they run an ICE indoors, but in a MVA the occupants have no choice about where twisted and bent metal of frame pieces will land-- like across the battery terminals, etc....First responders are also in danger during rescue efforts and it may prevent a rescue too.

So your argument is doubly stupid-- little risk and easily manageable for the ICE. Greater risk and less manageable for the EV.
Ummm guido -- it is not "reasoning."

The concept is a mock of the nonsense you present.

I was sort of wondering if this field (energy, renewable, environmental science) is the only field where clueless hacks show up and want to debate things they clearly have no background or knowledge.

Then I pondered your field -- Medical, right? And it is full of that, right? I mean you must have encountered this for years? On the other side -- I mean with you (the medical professional) on the sane side side, and folks with miracle Cancer or toenail fungus cures? This is all sort of like that.

Folks may enjoy this . . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Schy9aa2AqQ
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Old 11-19-2021, 05:36 PM
 
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Ford will double EV capacity to 600,000 by 2023. They've also canceled with Rivian.

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Electric vehicles: "Ford Motor plans to increase its production capacity of electric vehicles to 600,000 units globally by 2023, which CEO Jim Farley expects would make the company the second-largest U.S.-based producer of EVs, behind Tesla." (CNBC via Automotive News)
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Old 11-22-2021, 01:14 PM
 
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One way or the other they are making people fools. First electrical cars were saving the world and now this.
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Old 11-29-2021, 11:11 AM
 
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One way or the other they are making people fools. First electrical cars were saving the world and now this.
And now this: Hunt for the ‘Blood Diamond of Batteries’ Impedes Green Energy Push (link to title). Excerpt:
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Batteries containing cobalt reduce overheating in electric cars and extend their range, but the metal has become known as “the blood diamond of batteries†because of its high price and the perilous conditions in Congo, the largest producer of cobalt in the world. As a result, carmakers concerned about consumer blowback are rapidly moving to find alternatives to the element in electric vehicles, and they are increasingly looking to other nations with smaller reserves as possible suppliers.
There is a chance that Congo’s role in the emerging economy could be diminished if it fails to confront human-rights issues in its mines. And even if Mr. Yuma works to resolve those problems, as he has pledged to do, it still may not be enough for new American investors who want to be assured the country has taken steps to curb a history of mining-industry corruption.
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Old 12-10-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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The author, Amory Lovins, has been at the leading edge of the renewable energy debate for decades.

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But the Times series, like nearly all prior “critical materials†coverage, rests on a flawed premise: that cobalt is one of the “essential raw materials needed for the production of electric car batteries—and is now critical to retiring the combustion engine and weaning the world off climate-changing fossil fuels.â€

The Reality
That cobalt is an essential raw material needed to produce electric car batteries is true for one class of car-battery chemistries, but others use little cobalt or none at all. Standard-range Tesla cars’ batteries use no cobalt. Battery leaders Samsung and Panasonic are designing out cobalt. The portfolio of these alternatives continues to improve and expand.

https://rmi.org/rmi-reality-check-gr...-in-batteries/
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Old 12-10-2021, 09:47 AM
 
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53 electric utility companies have formed a coalition to build The National Electric Highway by the end of 2023.


https://www.eei.org/issuesandpolicy/Pages/NEHC.aspx
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Old 12-10-2021, 12:42 PM
 
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EV share of November UK market hits 28%. Diesel down to 5%. Diesel has always been more popular in the EU because businesses and the self-employed can reclaim the VAT portion, often 20% of $7-8 a gallon.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/12/06...sel-at-just-5/
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Old 12-10-2021, 11:12 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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53 electric utility companies have formed a coalition to build The National Electric Highway by the end of 2023.


https://www.eei.org/issuesandpolicy/Pages/NEHC.aspx
Can you say "Boondoggle," children?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/motorin...e05c318e550fc5

Efficiency (generated power/ capacity) ranges from 0.8% to 4% on the experimental roads at atrociously high costs (in the range of $20-44K/kW).
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Old 12-11-2021, 06:41 AM
 
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Can you say "Boondoggle," children?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/motorin...e05c318e550fc5

Efficiency (generated power/ capacity) ranges from 0.8% to 4% on the experimental roads at atrociously high costs (in the range of $20-44K/kW).
If you read the first sentence of the link I provided, you'll greatly improve your understanding of the matter.
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Old 12-11-2021, 08:02 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Sorry 'bout that, Chief. I had just got done reading about the solar panel hywy, then saw your post and conflated the two. while my response has its own merits, it's a non sequitor for yours.

In regards building a network of re-charging stations, it's inevitable that it must happen. I have no problems with private capital going into it, but I object strongly to Fed funds doing it. The Build Back More Expensively Bill is just another example of Buddy Capitalism and the incestuous relationship between The Feds and Big Industry.
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